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		<title>Eclipse organization&#8217;s browser-based Orion tool gets on-line hub</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jack Vaughan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATED &#8211; A JavaScript editor known as Orion uses the browser as the basis for building tools for web developers. While it is an Eclipse Foundation effort, it is said to represent a fully new code base. Now it is available via an online hub. IBM engineers have forged the first bits of Orion. The [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATED &#8211; A JavaScript editor known as Orion uses the browser as the basis for building tools for web developers. While it is an Eclipse Foundation effort, it is said to represent a fully new code base. Now it is available via an online hub. IBM engineers have forged the first bits of Orion.<span id="more-1507"></span></p>
<p>The Eclipse Foundation has announced access to a hosted beta version of its <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/soa-talk/searching-for-private-orion-a-browser-based-open-tool-integration-platform/">Orion project</a>, an effort to create a Web-based platform for Web development. Eclipse Foundation Executive Director Mike Milinkovich said a new site known as <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/orion/">OrionHub.org</a> has as its goal to enable interested developers to provide feedback on Orion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Orion uses the browser navigation as the way you navigate your code base,&#8221; Milinkovich said.</p>
<p>The Eclipse IDE and development backplane, which is coming up on its 10th  birthday, has become a mainstay in server-side development. But its use, admitted Milinkovich, has been much more limited in front-end Web development. Orion is a wholly new effort and a wholly new code base, not an &#8220;Eclipse in a browser,&#8221; he said. The software appeared earlier this year in the form of an editor for JavaScript, CSS and HTML.</p>
<p>In terms of AJAX frameworks, Orion &#8220;uses Dojo and some pieces of JQuery,&#8221; according Milinkovich, who added, &#8220;we are trying to stay as framework-agnostic as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Developers from IBM&#8217;s Ottawa Canada operations came up with the idea for Orion. In a presentation at this week&#8217;s EclipseCon 2011 in Santa Clara, CA, they said that they anticipate a growing number of what they call &#8221;online IDEs.&#8221; Orion joins Palm Aries, Cloud9 IDE and others in this new development software category.</p>
<p>For Orion, IBM is contributing a seed, according to IBM developer Simon Kaegi. &#8220;What we&#8217;ve contributed is akin to an integration platform,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Developers of all sorts are already doing much of their work in the browser, IBM developer Boris Bokowski noted. Popular Web browser tools include bug trackers, build trackers, indexers and – of course &#8211; documentation software. &#8220;All these things happen in the browser,&#8221; he said.</p>
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		<title>The World Wide Web celebrates its 20th anniversary</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JDenman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some differ on when it was born, but by some measures the World Wide Web turned 20 last weekend. Tim Berners-Lee introduced his proposal for a &#8220;WorldWideWeb&#8220; to CERN on November 12, 1990. According to an article by Ben Zimmer in this weekend&#8217;s New York Times Magazine on the origin of the word &#8220;Web,&#8221;  the phrase World [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some differ on when it was born, but by some measures the World Wide Web turned 20 last weekend. Tim Berners-Lee introduced his proposal for a &#8220;<a title="Original WorldWideWeb proposal" href="http://www.w3.org/Proposal.html" target="_blank">WorldWideWeb</a>&#8220; to CERN on November 12, 1990. According to an article by Ben Zimmer in this weekend&#8217;s New York Times Magazine on the origin of the word &#8220;<a title="New York Times Magazine article on the word Web" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/magazine/14FOB-onlanguage-t.html?scp=1&amp;sq=Web%20aniverary&amp;st=cse" target="_blank">Web</a>,&#8221;  the phrase World Wide Web was sort of a placeholder in the marketing strategy for Tim Burners-Lee and his colleague Robert Cailliau, who knew their hypertext link-based information management system was revolutionary, even though Berners-Lee&#8217;s previous proposal &#8220;had met with minimal internal interest.&#8221; The duo had apparently tried other names for the project, but had not found anything suitable so when the deadline came around they went with Berners-Lee&#8217;s working title. They figured they could come up with something better if and when the proposal was accepted. But they never did find anything that could beat the easy alliteration of World Wide Web.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s in a name? If it wasn&#8217;t called the World Wide Web it would have gone by another title. Perhaps we would be working with &#8220;Internet Services&#8221; or &#8220;Graph Services&#8221; instead of &#8220;<a title="W3.org information on Web services" href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/WebServices.html" target="_blank">Web Services</a>.&#8221; The principles behind Web services would still be the same, though. The real worth of the WorldWideWeb proposal was not in the name, but in the new concepts it set into motion. And <a title="SearchSOA.com interview with Berners-Lee" href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/interview/0,289202,sid26_gci840371,00.html" target="_self">Tim Berners-Lee has been guiding those concepts</a>, promoting openness and interoperability via the internet for the past 20 years. So if you&#8217;re reading this Mr. Berners-Lee, thanks and keep up the good work from all of us at SearchSOA.com.</p>
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		<title>Dojo for Ajax gets enterprise push from Nexaweb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Clancy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can a free open source Ajax toolkit handle enterprise applications? That&#8217;s the question Nexaweb Technologies Inc. is hoping to answer in the affirmative with today&#8217;s announcement that it is contributing new software to the Dojo Foundation to provide the structured approach favored for enterprise Ajax development. The software, dubbed &#8216;dojo.E,&#8217; will allow developers to create enterprise Ajax, said [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a free open source Ajax toolkit handle enterprise applications?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the question Nexaweb Technologies Inc. is hoping to answer in the affirmative with today&#8217;s announcement that it is contributing new software to the <a href="http://dojotoolkit.org/">Dojo Foundation</a> to provide the structured approach favored for enterprise Ajax development.</p>
<p>The software, dubbed &#8216;dojo.E,&#8217; will allow developers to create enterprise Ajax, said Jeremy Chone, CTO at Nexaweb Technologies Inc., who adds that Dojo is one of the industry&#8217;s most advanced sets of open source Ajax tools.</p>
<p>In his view Dojo will be ready for prime time with the structure dojo.E provides and visual tooling, which he said would be the next step.</p>
<p>&#8220;What we&#8217;re doing is we&#8217;ve enhanced Dojo with a structural language, which is XML,&#8221; Chone explained.</p>
<p>Asked how this will make Dojo better suited for business applications, he said: &#8220;The business benefits of dojo.E on top of Dojo is three things. One is the code is more structured. Two, you have reusability so you can reuse the components. Three, you can have visual tooling because now that it is structured and well defined you can have visual tools to organize your Ajax.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tom Rhinelander, analyst, New Rowley Group, agreed that Nexaweb&#8217;s contribution to Dojo will offer developers a choice they don&#8217;t usually have in selecting open source tools for Ajax.</p>
<p>&#8220;Developers have often had to choose between free Ajax toolkits that delivered interactivity but didn&#8217;t make it easy to maintain the code base, and commercial or commercially-sponsored rich Internet application (RIA) toolkits that weren&#8217;t as widely accepted but made it much easier to program and maintain code,&#8221; the analyst said. &#8220;Nexaweb&#8217;s dojo.E offers developers a more structured way to develop and maintain their interactive Web apps, using an XML markup language while also leveraging the popular Dojo toolkit.&#8221;</p>
<p>More information on dojo.E is available at a <a href="http://dojoe.nexaweb.com">new Website </a>for the tools.</p>
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		<title>SOA experts, we&#8217;ve got &#8216;em</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>StorageSwiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pro wrestling legend Rowdy Roddy Piper immortalized the words &#8220;Just when they think they&#8217;ve got the answers, I change the questions.&#8221; Now we at SearchSOA.com are asking you to do the same thing, sort of. It won&#8217;t involve wearing a kilt or smashing a coconut over anyone&#8217;s skull. We just want you to ask some [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro wrestling legend <a href="http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAHF157_8x10-No351~Rowdy-Roddy-Piper-Posters.jpg" target="_blank">Rowdy Roddy Piper</a> immortalized the words &#8220;Just when they think they&#8217;ve got the answers, I change the questions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now we at SearchSOA.com are asking you to do the same thing, sort of. It won&#8217;t involve wearing a kilt or smashing a coconut over anyone&#8217;s skull. We just want you to ask some good questions.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve recently revamped <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/Knowledgebase/0,289622,sid26,00.html" target="_blank">our site experts roster</a> and we&#8217;re looking to put them through their paces. The way it works is you ask a question and we send the question off to an expert to get you an answer. It&#8217;s a fairly illustrious list of folks:</p>
<ul>
<li>SOA standards and architecture &#8211; Anne Thomas Manes, vice president and research director at Burton Group</li>
<li>SOA governance and BPM &#8211; Sri Nagabhirava, founder and chief architect nLeague Services</li>
<li>SOA infrastructure &#8211; Dana Gardner, principal analyst Interarbor Solutions</li>
<li>RIA and enterprise mashups &#8211; Jason Bloomberg, senior analyst ZapThink</li>
<li>SOA testing and QA &#8211; Rami Jaamour, product manager of SOA solutions at Parasoft</li>
<li>Data services &#8211; Larry Fulton, senior analyst at Forrester Research</li>
<li>SOA development &#8211; Chris Haddad, vice president and service director at Burton Group</li>
</ul>
<p>They&#8217;re already producing some top flight insight, like <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/KnowledgebaseAnswer/0,289625,sid26_gci1312582,00.html" target="_blank">data integration best practices</a>, <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/KnowledgebaseAnswer/0,289625,sid26_gci1312347,00.html" target="_blank">where grid intersects SOA</a> and <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/KnowledgebaseAnswer/0,289625,sid26_gci1311461,00.html" target="_blank">the difference between WSDL 1.1 and 2.0</a>. Yet good answers like that depend on good questions from the user community. We sift through heaping piles of &#8220;<a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/KnowledgebaseAnswer/0,289625,sid26_gci921807,00.html" target="_blank">What&#8217;s the difference between an application server and a Web server?&#8221;</a> (a perfectly legitimate question, but we answered it back in 2003) in order to get some of the top minds in the SOA space the best questions the user base can generate.</p>
<p>The process for submitting a question is simple. Just <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/Knowledgebase/0,289622,sid26,00.html" target="_blank">go to the topic </a>where your question fits and click on &#8220;Pose a Question.&#8221;  That will take you to a <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/expert/KnowledgebasePoseQuestion/0,289624,sid26_cid446608_tax289201,00.html" target="_blank">question submission form</a>. After that, it&#8217;s as simple as typing in your query. Keep us busy. We like it that way.</p>
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		<title>JavaOne: Sun seeks digital life</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>StorageSwiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If serverside developers and enterprise architects were left feeling forgotten by last year&#8217;s JavaOne conference, then they&#8217;ll be feeling positively orphaned by this year&#8217;s major keynote address. Sun Microsystems executive vice president for software Rich Green hammered away on how Java provides &#8220;a high performance virtual machine&#8221; capable of running all your digital life applications. [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If serverside developers and enterprise architects were left feeling forgotten by last year&#8217;s JavaOne conference, then they&#8217;ll be feeling positively orphaned by this year&#8217;s major keynote address.</p>
<p>Sun Microsystems executive vice president for software Rich Green hammered away on how Java provides &#8220;a high performance virtual machine&#8221; capable of running all your digital life applications. Amazon demonstrated a handheld media devices for downloading and reading books, magazines and newspapers. Sony Ericsson showed off showed off an upcoming unified media device (think iPhone). Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Roll legend Neil Young stopped by to talk about why he loves Blu-ray technology.</p>
<p>Green did mention that these New Age applications rely upon a foundation of services that can be mashed up, but that was about as close as the session go to enterprise development. Even the GlassFish news revolved around how the OSGi-enabled modularity of v3 will allow GlassFish to become a multimedia app server not solely associated with the server.</p>
<p>Sun president and CEO Jonathan Schwartz claimed his company is &#8220;focusing on users.&#8221; He threw in enterprises at the end of his list of who those users might be, but it gave the distinct impression that enterprises are becoming a bit of an afterthought with the Java braintrust.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&#8220;There’s clearly a battle developing for what will be that next great developer platform,&#8221; Schwartz said.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With whom he didn&#8217;t say. He also didn&#8217;t explain how enterprises will leverage that platform other than RIA development for clients. Sun seems to have a clear picture for where it wants to be in consumer-based digital life in the future. Whether it has a growing vision for how to help enterprises with development problems they have today remains a mystery.</p>
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		<title>Does WOA bring anything new to SOA?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>StorageSwiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of analysts I respect have been pushing the concept of Web-oriented architecture, or WOA, of late. For those unfamiliar with the term, Dion Hinchcliffe has covered it extensively and Dana Gardner has been singing its praises. To be honest, it looked like a term in search of a foundation to this observer. We&#8217;ve [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of analysts I respect have been pushing the concept of Web-oriented architecture, or WOA, of late. For those unfamiliar with the term, Dion Hinchcliffe has <a href="http://hinchcliffe.org/archive/2008/02/27/16617.aspx" target="_blank">covered it extensively</a> and Dana Gardner has been <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/?p=2643" target="_blank">singing its praises</a>. To be honest, it looked like a term in search of a foundation to this observer. We&#8217;ve already got RIA and composite applications and mashups and Web 2.0 and SaaS and SOA, but I figured I should ask a few architects what they think of the concept to see if it&#8217;s got traction in those circles.</p>
<p>Granted, I only polled half a dozen people (though I&#8217;ll note here that they are half a dozen really smart people). The response I got from all of them is that WOA strikes them as redundant and nothing particularly new, an empty suit if you will. One wrote, &#8220;It reminds me a lot of the attempt by someone to gain some name recognition with the &#8216;SOA 2.0&#8242; concept (which one vendor did try to use and then dropped after it was rejected by the SOA community).&#8221; Another responded, &#8220;It&#8217;s the same old thing, relabeled with an even MORE unwieldy name.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet another noted, &#8220;This is just composite Web apps.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a single one of them voiced a problem with the notion that Web-based development is an excellent place to concentrate your resources. In fact, some of the architects stated they are eagerly pursuing these sorts of development strategies.</p>
<p>That said, no one showed any love for the &#8220;WOA&#8221; acronym. &#8220;God forbid this take hold because it could complicate something the industry has been trying to simplify,&#8221; said one of the architects. He listed numerous reason why WOA, as a term, could do more harm than good:</p>
<ul>
<li>Users should have exactly one enterprise architecture, many don&#8217;t and they don&#8217;t need the confusion of &#8220;which architecture should I use?&#8221;</li>
<li>WOA doesn&#8217;t really have an underlying architecture, it&#8217;s more a set of best practices around REST, RIA and composite apps.</li>
<li>If users perceive WOA to be outside the <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/generic/0,295582,sid26_gci1172714,00.html" target="_blank">principles of SOA</a>, it could prove an excellent vehicle for building Web-based stovepipes.</li>
<li> WOA toes and sometimes crosses the line of being technology driven. &#8220;We plan on using Google Apps, but Google Apps needs to fit into our structure, not the other way around.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>That last point about the potential technology driven nature of WOA was a point of contention for another architect. &#8220;One of the big problems we&#8217;ve had to fight is people who act as if SOA is tied to middleware or specific standards like SOAP or to a specific data format like XML. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Just because you&#8217;ve got some new technology to use doesn&#8217;t mean you go back to shoddy engineering. Everyone should know better than to let a specific hot technology drive the bus. It will cool off and you still need to be in business.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strikeiron CEO Dave Linthicum has also <a href="http://weblog.infoworld.com/realworldsoa/archives/2008/04/woa_vs_soa.html" target="_blank">blogged</a> about the upside of WOA. He pitched WOA as a potential gateway to SOA.</p>
<blockquote><p>What is changing quickly is that enterprises are finding that the path of least resistance is in essence to build their SOAs on the Web, using Web resources, including content, internet delivered APIs, and Web services. Once there is success with WOA you&#8217;ll see the same patterns emerging behind the firewall, or SOA.</p></blockquote>
<p>The polled architects viewed that as a perfectly legitimate approach, but one noted, &#8220;It&#8217;s still SOA. I just don&#8217;t see where WOA adds anything. Terms like this tend to make people in the field angry. In this case, it&#8217;s an attempt to sell them something they&#8217;ve already bought. I don&#8217;t know anyone who doesn&#8217;t want to use REST or build composite apps using Web tools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Time will tell whether WOA gains traction, but these architects expressed an unequivocal desire to have no more than one something-oriented architecture in their lives.</p>
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		<title>Oracle avoids JavaScript in RIA tools</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Clancy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oracle Corp. continues to pursue its agnostic approach to Web 2.0 development as its tools designed to help developers create Ajax without having to mess with JavaScript progress through beta, says Ted Farrell, chief architect and vice president for tools and middleware at Oracle. In an interview discussing the Oracle approach to the problematic nature [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oracle Corp. continues to pursue its agnostic approach to Web 2.0 development as its tools designed to help developers create Ajax without having to mess with JavaScript progress through beta, says Ted Farrell, chief architect and vice president for tools and middleware at Oracle.</p>
<p>In an <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid26_gci1273771,00.html">interview </a>discussing the Oracle approach to the problematic nature of JavaScript this past fall, Farrell said: &#8220;In the Ajax space, JavaScript access to portlets and data sharing is very difficult and in a lot of cases, it&#8217;s actually impossible.&#8221;</p>
<p>His opinion hasn&#8217;t changed. Speaking this past week about the Oracle tool development that relies on Java Server Faces (JSF) to spare coders from JavaScript, Farrell said, &#8220;We don&#8217;t want our developers programming in JavaScript, which is a pain in the neck.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oracle has standardized on a JavaServer Faces (JSF)-based RenderKit, which allows the developer who has learned JSF to assemble disparate components into a Web 2.0-style mashup.</p>
<p>Enterprise customers are looking for ways to avoid getting caught up in such complexities, so the philosophy behind the tools Oracle has in beta is to automate the rendering technologies, so developers only need to work with components and pages, he said. This approach also is designed to insulate developers from the on-going changes in underlying technologies for RIA, he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;As technologies change, we can change our framework but they don&#8217;t have to change their pages,&#8221; Farrell said.</p>
<p>He describes the Oracle RIA tools as &#8220;very WYSIWYG.&#8221; The developer designates that a page will be Ajax with Flash from Adobe Systems Inc., Farrell said, and that is all the coder needs to know about those technologies.</p>
<p>&#8220;You don&#8217;t have to learn those technologies,&#8221; he said, which in the case of Ajax is basically JavaScript. &#8220;Our visual editor will show you how the page is going to look. You can drag a component like a table onto the page. You can bind that to some backend databases or Web service, wherever you are getting the data from.&#8221;</p>
<p>Farrell said the Oracle RIA tools are in an advanced beta stage prior to the official release. Interested developers can find out more information and even download them from the <a href="http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/adf/adffaces/index.html">Oracle Technology Network</a>.</p>
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		<title>The SOA-RIA intersection</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>StorageSwiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently we polled SearchSOA.com site members on their RIA and composite application plans. What we discovered is there&#8217;s a massive overlap between the SOA and RIA audiences. In all we received 395 responses and 44% said rich Internet applications were part of their enterprise IT/business strategy. Another 30% reported that RIA would become part of [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently we polled SearchSOA.com site members on their RIA and composite application plans. What we discovered is there&#8217;s a massive overlap between the SOA and RIA audiences.</p>
<p>In all we received 395 responses and 44% said rich Internet applications were part of their enterprise IT/business strategy. Another 30% reported that RIA would become part of that strategy in 2008.  85% reported that RIA was an important to extremely important piece of their SOA strategy. Only 2% said RIA wasn&#8217;t important at all to their SOA plans.<br />
Most strikingly, 74% reported they expect the importance of RIA to their IT/business goals to increase this year. In other words, for 3/4 of our survey respondents, RIA is a big deal that will be getting bigger. Rich Web front ends were the most popular type of app being built or planned (79%), with Ajax (81%) being the most popular technology employed to build those apps. Yet 55% also reported they are building/planning database composite applications and 35% reported they have entered or will enter the fairly new space of enterprise mashups. That&#8217;s a fairly massive amount for a category that would have been in the low single digits two years ago.</p>
<p>Oddly, mobile apps only drew a 29% response rate. That could be read a few different ways. Our respondents were mostly senior folks in the app dev or IT department. It&#8217;s possible rich mobile development is being done outside their auspices. Yet the fact that the more senior people in the app dev arena aren&#8217;t connected to it would also mean that rich mobile development hasn&#8217;t become a major enterprise initiative.  The other way to read it is that mobile devices have yet to become a major business initiative. In fact, mashups using unified communications might be the path that mobile devices take rather than strict mobile app development.</p>
<p>The top two benefits sought by those building out rich/composite apps were improving the user experience for customer facing apps/services (65%) and providing expected levels of business functionality to end users (61%).  Lack of internal knowledge/resources ranked as the number one obstacle to adopting Web 2.0 technologies (21%). It also ranked high as a secondary issue (35%). Yet a whole host of issues fell in the 27-38% range for secondary issues: techinical readiness/back-end support, selecting the right technologies, security, data/application integration issues and application performance issues.</p>
<p>Finally, IT management ranked as the top evangelist (28%), technical decision maker (34%) and financial decision maker (40%) when it comes to Web 2.0 technologies. Yet an interesting person ranked second in evangelism (27%) and technical decision making (26%) &#8211; the architect. Maybe this has something to do with polling the membership of an SOA site, but it speaks to how architecture is becoming a primary concern in all applications work these days.</p>
<p>It should be remembered that for years analysts have been saying that a primary benefit of pursuing SOA is to get ready for whatever comes next, to be able to deploy new technologies on top of the existing IT infrastructure in a way that makes sense. It would seem from our survey that those predictions are now taking shape in reality. RIA is happening parallel to and in conjunction with SOA and it looks like many users will have interesting stories to tell later in the year.</p>
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		<title>Web 2.0 leading SOA in buzzword compliance?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Clancy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marketers in the service-oriented architecture (SOA) world seem to be  falling all over each other to make their new products Web 2.0 buzzword compliant. Although Web 2.0 is a dubious term technically since there is no real Web 2.0. It is a clever catchall phrase for the more glitzy browser applications that emerged originally with wikis, [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketers in the service-oriented architecture (SOA) world seem to be  falling all over each other to make their new products Web 2.0 buzzword compliant.</p>
<p>Although Web 2.0 is a dubious term technically since there is no real Web 2.0. It is a clever catchall phrase for the more glitzy browser applications that emerged originally with wikis, and blogs, as well as Podcasts, which is another buzzword for downloadable digital audio files.</p>
<p>A chart of Google Trends data on Web searches indicates that Web 2.0 first came on the scene in mid-2004, when SOA was already flying high as a frequently searched topic. But after sliding under the radar for the next year, Web 2.0 took off like a rocket in late 2005 and surpassed SOA in the fourth quarter of 2006. Since then Web 2.0 has been the more popular term.</p>
<p>So it is perhaps not surprising that marketers are hyping their Web 2.0 capabilities in product announcements.</p>
<p>This week in <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid26_gci1304713,00.html">announcing OpenLibertyJ </a>, its open sourcing of Liberty Alliance security and privacy framework the major emphasis was on Web 2.0. SOA got only one mention in passing.</p>
<p>Asked why the big emphasis on Web 2.0, Brett McDowell, executive director, Liberty Alliance, said: &#8220;From my perspective service-oriented architecture is a concept that immediately resonates and gives you a vision of applications if you&#8217;re an enterprise architect. Web 2.0 gives you a vision of applications that are taking the Web by storm. What we wanted to use is the term that&#8217;s going to convey the correct expectation of what this framework is meant to enable.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that didn&#8217;t mean OpenLibertyJ had little or nothing to do with SOA.</p>
<p>&#8220;It absolutely enables the identity bus for SOA,&#8221; McDowell said. &#8220;But I think a broader audience understands the vision of Web 2.0.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jason Bloomberg, senior analyst for ZapThink LLC., was asked if this explanation was more about marketing or technology.Replying by email, Bloomberg wrote: &#8220;Technically correct or marketingese? Well, both. 100% marketingese with just enough truth mixed in <img src='http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/soa-talk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .&#8221;</p>
<p>The Liberty Alliance is not alone in hitching a product wagon to the Web 2.0 star. Since 2006, Oracle Corp. has been talking about the convergence of the Java Enterprise Edition and Web 2.0 into something Thomas Kurian, Oracle&#8217;s senior vice president, called <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid26_gci1189013,00.html">SOA 2.0</a>.  </p>
<p>That term does not appear to have caught on, as a request to Google Trends brought back this reply: &#8220;Your terms &#8211; SOA 2.0 &#8211; do not have enough search volume to show graphs.&#8221;</p>
<p>In 2007, Oracle began using the term <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid26_gci1276012,00.html">Enterprise 2.0</a> for the Java, SOA and Web 2.0 convergence that is bringing wikis, blogs and social networks into the corporate world. Since first appearing on Google Trends charts in the fourth quarter of 2006, Enterprise 2.0 has been a hotter topic in Web searches than SOA 2.0. But when compared with SOA and Web 2.0, Enterprise 2.0 is still a flat line under their arcs.</p>
<p>If Oracle with its marketing muscle cannot get SOA 2.0 or Enterprise 2.0 off the ground, we may be stuck with Web 2.0, nebulous as it may be.</p>
<p>Discussing <a href="http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid26_gci1305047,00.html">IBM&#8217;s SOA and Web 2.0 marketing strategy </a>this week, Stephanie Martin, new worldwide lead for IBM Developer Relations, which includes more than 6 million coders who frequent the developerWorks Website, says she believes the two terms can play well together.</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re both very hot topics in the market right now,&#8221; Martin said. &#8220;In order to have the Web 2.0 experience, SOA is critical for designing and architecting these applications. That&#8217;s where I see the link between SOA and Web 2.0. Certainly they are not the same thing. SOA is the enabler of Web 2.0 but I do not see one replacing the other. We&#8217;re seeing our community&#8217;s interest in both those technologies growing consistently.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it appears SOA and Web 2.0 will have to co-exist as buzzwords, at least, until the next hot term is coined.<br />
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		<title>Wall St. looks to meld enterprise mashups with SOA</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>StorageSwiss</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Web 2.0 and enterprise mashups were the hot topics at this year&#8217;s Web Services/SOA on Wall St. conference. Michael Ogrinz, principal architect for global markets at Bank of America, revealed his company was heavily pushing the mashup concept to its internal users. He argued mashups are a way to overcome low user expectations that the [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Web 2.0  and enterprise mashups were the hot topics at this year&#8217;s <a href="http://www.lighthouse-partners.com/wsonws/home.htm" target="_blank">Web Services/SOA on Wall St.</a> conference. Michael Ogrinz, principal architect for global markets at Bank of America, revealed his company was heavily pushing the mashup concept to its internal users. He argued mashups are a way to overcome low user expectations that the Internet can become a dynamic, useful tool in getting their jobs done.</p>
<p>He also said end user IT departments ought to get involved in mashup development.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason you see the emergence of these mashup vendors is IT has failed to provide the service,&#8221;  he said.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting take, that vendors are rushing in where users haven&#8217;t dared to tread. The panel on which Ogrinz sat lauded mashups for their do-it-yourself nature and expressed hope that more companies would catch the DIY spirit.</p>
<p>Jonathan Rochelle, a senior product manager with Google, stated that mashups not only stand to get corporate employees to avail themselves of powerful modern tools, but he also said, &#8220;The concept that mashups will be there is what drives the architecture.&#8221; Essentially, his point was that compelling new applications are what makes all that architectural rigor worth the while.</p>
<p>Always ready with a good analogy, Miko Matsumura. vice president and deputy CTO at Software AG, broached the same topic as Rochelle, saying &#8220;Mashups are sexual reproduction for your apps.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that sure does sound like more fun than we&#8217;re used to in the IT business, but Matsumura was driving at something more biological, specifically &#8220;How does evolution produce variation?&#8221; He noted that humans share something on the order of 95% of their DNA with chimps. Similarly, most applications will share the same architecture (once you get a solid architecture in place). From there, variation can take place.</p>
<p>As Matsumura explained it, &#8220;You&#8217;re looking to enable an infinite number of things you can do in business, but a finite number of things your IT people have to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds like a solid plan, Web 2.0 evolution on top of an enterprise grade SOA. Yet, as Marc Adler, senior vice president of equities and head of complex event processing at Citigroup, noted, data services have a sizable role to play in that enterprise grade SOA and it has been tough to bring DBAs into the fold.</p>
<p>&#8220;They kick, they scream, they holler, they don&#8217;t want to let their data out,&#8221; Adler said.</p>
<p>He suggested a carrot and stick approach to bring the DBAs on board. The carrot is that by opening up their databases, DBAs stand to elevate their status inside the organization. The stick is having executive&#8217;s mandate the change.</p>
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