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		<title>By: Michael Meehan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Meehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair request Christopher.

We had 26% of respondents in our recent reader poll report they had a working SOA. That&#039;s out of 300 non-software business end users. Obviously our readers are going to be the more advanced type, but we set a fairly high bar in that services had to conform to an actual enterprise architectural plan and can now run across heterogeneous systems. Another 33% of respondents reported they have operating Web services, undertaken legacy integration and adopted some basic standards. I imagine many of those users would answer &quot;yes&quot; to the question of whether they have an SOA, but we thought it was important to differentiate the two groups. We also broke down the SOA group, with 15% of the total survey respondents reporting they&#039;ve moved into some advanced areas of SOA maturity. That would probably represent the true vanguard group.

A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.actional.com/resources/whitepapers/SOA-Governance-Adoption/SOA-Survey.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; 2006 survey by eBizQ&lt;/a&gt; reported that 28% of respondents &quot;have their SOAs deployed, with only 19% having more than 50 services up and running in the SOA production environment.&quot;

Now I don&#039;t know what qualifies as &quot;deployed&quot; in that survey and I suspect that means something less than enterprise-wide deployment. After all, once you get into huge corporate entities you rarely find anything that&#039;s truly enterprise-wide. Also, I find using the number of services to be an awful measure for the maturity of an SOA. All a bunch of services might indicate is that you&#039;ve built stovepipe Web services willy-nilly.

A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.datastrategyjournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=42&amp;Itemid=76&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; recent survey in Data Strategy Journal&lt;/a&gt; reported 17% with an SOA &quot;running full steam.&quot;

Probably the real question to ask, and one I suspect very few could answer, is how much business are your services doing? Have you tied agility to revenue? That&#039;s the real grail and it&#039;s probably a small subset of the &quot;I&#039;ve got an SOA&quot; crowd who can claim it.

It&#039;s important to separate the fairly ancient (in IT terms) concepts behind SOA from what Schmelzer, Bloomberg and Hurwitz have been talking about in terms of competition. What they&#039;ve been saying is that if you fall behind here, one or more of your competitors may be in a position to eat your lunch. A recession would create an opportunity for that scenario to play out in multiple sectors.

Maybe SOA-savvy won&#039;t make a difference, but a slow economic year is just the thing to put a lot of tea leaf predictions to the test. We&#039;ll probably know more about the value of SOA after a bad economic year than we would after a good one, which is where I was trying to drive with this blog entry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair request Christopher.</p>
<p>We had 26% of respondents in our recent reader poll report they had a working SOA. That&#8217;s out of 300 non-software business end users. Obviously our readers are going to be the more advanced type, but we set a fairly high bar in that services had to conform to an actual enterprise architectural plan and can now run across heterogeneous systems. Another 33% of respondents reported they have operating Web services, undertaken legacy integration and adopted some basic standards. I imagine many of those users would answer &#8220;yes&#8221; to the question of whether they have an SOA, but we thought it was important to differentiate the two groups. We also broke down the SOA group, with 15% of the total survey respondents reporting they&#8217;ve moved into some advanced areas of SOA maturity. That would probably represent the true vanguard group.</p>
<p>A <a href="http://www.actional.com/resources/whitepapers/SOA-Governance-Adoption/SOA-Survey.html" rel="nofollow"> 2006 survey by eBizQ</a> reported that 28% of respondents &#8220;have their SOAs deployed, with only 19% having more than 50 services up and running in the SOA production environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t know what qualifies as &#8220;deployed&#8221; in that survey and I suspect that means something less than enterprise-wide deployment. After all, once you get into huge corporate entities you rarely find anything that&#8217;s truly enterprise-wide. Also, I find using the number of services to be an awful measure for the maturity of an SOA. All a bunch of services might indicate is that you&#8217;ve built stovepipe Web services willy-nilly.</p>
<p>A <a href="http://www.datastrategyjournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=42&amp;Itemid=76" rel="nofollow"> recent survey in Data Strategy Journal</a> reported 17% with an SOA &#8220;running full steam.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably the real question to ask, and one I suspect very few could answer, is how much business are your services doing? Have you tied agility to revenue? That&#8217;s the real grail and it&#8217;s probably a small subset of the &#8220;I&#8217;ve got an SOA&#8221; crowd who can claim it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to separate the fairly ancient (in IT terms) concepts behind SOA from what Schmelzer, Bloomberg and Hurwitz have been talking about in terms of competition. What they&#8217;ve been saying is that if you fall behind here, one or more of your competitors may be in a position to eat your lunch. A recession would create an opportunity for that scenario to play out in multiple sectors.</p>
<p>Maybe SOA-savvy won&#8217;t make a difference, but a slow economic year is just the thing to put a lot of tea leaf predictions to the test. We&#8217;ll probably know more about the value of SOA after a bad economic year than we would after a good one, which is where I was trying to drive with this blog entry.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Casey</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/soa-talk/soa-primed-for-recession/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Meehan wrote - &quot;While most companies donât have an operating SOA in place at the moment, many do (anywhere from 20 to 33% dependent on which poll you happen to be reading).&quot; Could you please provide some substantiation of these figures, or at least cite the polls you refer to?

I find it difficult to believe that even 5% of U.S. Fortune 1000 companies have anything that even closely resembles an enterprise-wide SOA given the level of effort such an undertaking requires. But that is exactly what I believe will be needed to achieve the level of demonstration sufficient for that &quot;golden opportunity&quot; the article mentions, to materialize.

With regard to the gushing references to Mssrs. Schmelzer and Bloomberg and Ms. Hurwitz, as somehow being prophetic, give me a break. While I respect and enjoy their writing on the subject, the concepts behind SOA go back at least 10, if not 20 years.

Overall, I&#039;d suggest a little more researched fact and a lot less unsubstantiated opinion would make SOA Talk somewhere valuable to visit on a regular basis.

Christopher Casey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Meehan wrote &#8211; &#8220;While most companies donât have an operating SOA in place at the moment, many do (anywhere from 20 to 33% dependent on which poll you happen to be reading).&#8221; Could you please provide some substantiation of these figures, or at least cite the polls you refer to?</p>
<p>I find it difficult to believe that even 5% of U.S. Fortune 1000 companies have anything that even closely resembles an enterprise-wide SOA given the level of effort such an undertaking requires. But that is exactly what I believe will be needed to achieve the level of demonstration sufficient for that &#8220;golden opportunity&#8221; the article mentions, to materialize.</p>
<p>With regard to the gushing references to Mssrs. Schmelzer and Bloomberg and Ms. Hurwitz, as somehow being prophetic, give me a break. While I respect and enjoy their writing on the subject, the concepts behind SOA go back at least 10, if not 20 years.</p>
<p>Overall, I&#8217;d suggest a little more researched fact and a lot less unsubstantiated opinion would make SOA Talk somewhere valuable to visit on a regular basis.</p>
<p>Christopher Casey</p>
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