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	<title>Comments on: VMware ESX configuration, cost problems spur user&#8217;s switch to Microsoft Virtual Server</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RealityCheck</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/server-virtualization/vmware-esx-configuration-cost-problems-spur-users-switch-to-microsoft-virtual-server/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>RealityCheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked at TQL when John was there.  He was terminated for incompetence.  Don't let his opinions influence your opinions regarding VMWare.  If you have any doubts, just check out his personal website at www.johnnyq.com.  This guy is a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at TQL when John was there.  He was terminated for incompetence.  Don&#8217;t let his opinions influence your opinions regarding VMWare.  If you have any doubts, just check out his personal website at&nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.johnnyq.com" title="http://www.johnnyq. " target="_blank"&gt;www.johnnyq.com&lt;/a&gt;.  This guy is a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: opteron servers</title>
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		<dc:creator>opteron servers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;opteron servers&lt;/strong&gt;

I never thought I will agree with this opinion, but you know... I agree partially now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;strong&gt;opteron servers&lt;/strong&gt;</p>
<p>I never thought I will agree with this opinion, but you know&#8230; I agree partially now</p>
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		<title>By: hard disk crash recovery</title>
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		<dc:creator>hard disk crash recovery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;hard disk crash recovery&lt;/strong&gt;

Well spoken. I have to research more on this as it is really vital info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;strong&gt;hard disk crash recovery&lt;/strong&gt;</p>
<p>Well spoken. I have to research more on this as it is really vital info.</p>
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		<title>By: Vitualdc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vitualdc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 14:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical msft propaganda. Any data center engineer worth their salt already knows that ESX is the standard hypervisor for production but wait, MS Virtual Server is not even a hypervisor so how does this comparison even make sense Jan? There will always be those willing to step over a dollar to pick up a penny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical msft propaganda. Any data center engineer worth their salt already knows that ESX is the standard hypervisor for production but wait, MS Virtual Server is not even a hypervisor so how does this comparison even make sense Jan? There will always be those willing to step over a dollar to pick up a penny.</p>
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		<title>By: Deathrend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deathrend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a fairly large setup for ESX, and I have NEVER had these kind of problems. As for pricing, as one said, compare the amount of servers installed per box. We run HP DL580's, with Quad Core processors, and give or take 100-120 gigs of RAM, on iSCSI SAN's. Each ESX supports from 15 to 30 servers; we have 18 currently.

We looked as MS-VS (Microsoft Virtual Server), and the sluggish management, and low overhead for multiple servers just didn't make it feesable. The new Hyper-V on 2008 server might be worth a shot, but that's iffy...assuming it's available on 2008 Server Core only, then it might compare). The only thing that ESX can't do well that MS-VS /might/ be able to pull off, is a TS server. I have yet to see a good MSTS server that's been virtualized.

Until then, I'll stick with my HA/VMotion/ESX Clustering!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a fairly large setup for ESX, and I have NEVER had these kind of problems. As for pricing, as one said, compare the amount of servers installed per box. We run HP DL580&#8217;s, with Quad Core processors, and give or take 100-120 gigs of RAM, on iSCSI SAN&#8217;s. Each ESX supports from 15 to 30 servers; we have 18 currently.</p>
<p>We looked as MS-VS (Microsoft Virtual Server), and the sluggish management, and low overhead for multiple servers just didn&#8217;t make it feesable. The new Hyper-V on 2008 server might be worth a shot, but that&#8217;s iffy&#8230;assuming it&#8217;s available on 2008 Server Core only, then it might compare). The only thing that ESX can&#8217;t do well that MS-VS /might/ be able to pull off, is a TS server. I have yet to see a good MSTS server that&#8217;s been virtualized.</p>
<p>Until then, I&#8217;ll stick with my HA/VMotion/ESX Clustering!</p>
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		<title>By: Arild Skullerud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arild Skullerud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is totally FUD.

I've been running ESX since 2.0 in a large production environment, and I have never seen the issues described here.

Sure ESX is not error free, but VMWare is actually quite fast to provide fixes if you have an error you can reproduce.

I fail to see the cost math here. Sure ESX was expensive when we only had single core CPUs. The price stayed the same with dual core, and with quad core, practically quadrupling your performance per dollar, and making a 1U 2CPU server, 8 core, 50 VMs quite easy to run. You'll need a 1-day training course to achieve it :)

I also happen to have extensive experience with the old VMWare GSX series, and I would say Microsoft is on that level still.

ESX is the only REAL production virtualization platform as of today. All others should be viewed as test only until they become more mature (and certainly more feature rich).

ArildS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is totally FUD.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been running ESX since 2.0 in a large production environment, and I have never seen the issues described here.</p>
<p>Sure ESX is not error free, but VMWare is actually quite fast to provide fixes if you have an error you can reproduce.</p>
<p>I fail to see the cost math here. Sure ESX was expensive when we only had single core CPUs. The price stayed the same with dual core, and with quad core, practically quadrupling your performance per dollar, and making a 1U 2CPU server, 8 core, 50 VMs quite easy to run. You&#8217;ll need a 1-day training course to achieve it <img src='http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/server-virtualization/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I also happen to have extensive experience with the old VMWare GSX series, and I would say Microsoft is on that level still.</p>
<p>ESX is the only REAL production virtualization platform as of today. All others should be viewed as test only until they become more mature (and certainly more feature rich).</p>
<p>ArildS</p>
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		<title>By: jppinto</title>
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		<dc:creator>jppinto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DITTO: "I never had any configuration issues, or utilization/performance issues."

Fire that admin and hire someone who knows that they are talking about. I'm an MCSE with a big ESX farm, I am not even considering VS2005. Are you kidding me? The product is no where close to what ESX has accomplished, it has a long way to go. It was a waste of time even testing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DITTO: &#8220;I never had any configuration issues, or utilization/performance issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fire that admin and hire someone who knows that they are talking about. I&#8217;m an MCSE with a big ESX farm, I am not even considering VS2005. Are you kidding me? The product is no where close to what ESX has accomplished, it has a long way to go. It was a waste of time even testing it.</p>
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		<title>By: VMguru007</title>
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		<dc:creator>VMguru007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Each of the two products have its own pros and cons. It seems being free is the main pro for MS, where the number of features and performance is definitly on the VMware side. For a good side by side comparison you can have a look at http://www.itcomparison.com/Virtualization/MS2005R2vsvi3/VirtualizationMS2005R2vsvmware3esx.htm

Enjoy,
VMguru007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Each of the two products have its own pros and cons. It seems being free is the main pro for MS, where the number of features and performance is definitly on the VMware side. For a good side by side comparison you can have a look at&nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.itcomparison.com/Virtualization/MS2005R2vsvi3/VirtualizationMS2005R2vsvmware3esx.htm" title="http://www.itcomparison.com/Virtualization/MS2005R2vsvi3/VirtualizationMS2005R2vsvmware3esx.htm" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.itcomparison.com/Virtualizati&#8230;&lt;/a&gt;</p>
<p>Enjoy,<br />
VMguru007</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
 I have one issue related to ESX server3.5 installation on Vmware 6.0.
When i try to install Esx Server 3.5 on vmware 6.0 at the time of installation when sata hard disk drivers installed and setup says "Installing ESX Server 3.5 ...." after that setup abnormally terminated.
 I tell you steps how i can configure Vmware for this-?
 Vmware Workstation 4/5.0 -&#62; Redhat Guest OS -&#62; !256 Memory -&#62; 10 Gb hard disk LSI LOGIC -&#62;    Number of processors 2 -&#62;esx text 
Any parameter change for this installation?
 I think some changes req in vmx file . 
Please any one know how to install this please mail me steps.
Thanks in advance,
KIRAN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
 I have one issue related to ESX server3.5 installation on Vmware 6.0.<br />
When i try to install Esx Server 3.5 on vmware 6.0 at the time of installation when sata hard disk drivers installed and setup says &#8220;Installing ESX Server 3.5 &#8230;.&#8221; after that setup abnormally terminated.<br />
 I tell you steps how i can configure Vmware for this-?<br />
 Vmware Workstation 4/5.0 -&gt; Redhat Guest OS -&gt; !256 Memory -&gt; 10 Gb hard disk LSI LOGIC -&gt;    Number of processors 2 -&gt;esx text<br />
Any parameter change for this installation?<br />
 I think some changes req in vmx file .<br />
Please any one know how to install this please mail me steps.<br />
Thanks in advance,<br />
KIRAN</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gary&lt;/strong&gt;

...If a hard drive is not accessible by software such as the system BIOS, Windows Disk Management, or other disk utilities it can be considered as truly dead and in need of physical data recovery...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;strong&gt;Gary&lt;/strong&gt;</p>
<p>&#8230;If a hard drive is not accessible by software such as the system BIOS, Windows Disk Management, or other disk utilities it can be considered as truly dead and in need of physical data recovery&#8230;</p>
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