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		<title>By: shankyrhodes</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/server-virtualization/vmware-defends-its-upcoming-fault-tolerance-feature/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>shankyrhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had just came a great MS Hyper-V resource. It show a step-by-step how to do Hyper-V 

installation.It even introduce you to how to use all the advanced features of hyper-V like 

MSCS, Quick Migration, &#38; Snapshots.Check it out:&lt;a href="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/microsoft/hyper-v/important-information-about-hyper-v.htm

l"&gt; MS windows 2008 Hyper-V important information&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had just came a great MS Hyper-V resource. It show a step-by-step how to do Hyper-V </p>
<p>installation.It even introduce you to how to use all the advanced features of hyper-V like </p>
<p>MSCS, Quick Migration, &amp; Snapshots.Check it out:&lt;a href="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/microsoft/hyper-v/important-information-about-hyper-v.htm</p>
<p>l"&gt; MS windows 2008 Hyper-V important information&lt;/a&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: shankyrhodes</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/server-virtualization/vmware-defends-its-upcoming-fault-tolerance-feature/#comment-1520</link>
		<dc:creator>shankyrhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

we are considering to buy a VMware Virtual Center.
We have two servers running VMware Standard edition.
Do you believe it will be worth it? Or do we have to
upgrade our VMware licenses to Enterprise before upgrading
virtual center to make it worth it. I had just read the
following article
&lt;a href="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-virtual-server-virtualization-vmware/virtualcenter-for-vm-ware-server-real-value.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; VMware virtual center real value  &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>we are considering to buy a VMware Virtual Center.<br />
We have two servers running VMware Standard edition.<br />
Do you believe it will be worth it? Or do we have to<br />
upgrade our VMware licenses to Enterprise before upgrading<br />
virtual center to make it worth it. I had just read the<br />
following article<br />
&lt;a href="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-virtual-server-virtualization-vmware/virtualcenter-for-vm-ware-server-real-value.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; VMware virtual center real value  &lt;/a&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: andrewstaflin</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrewstaflin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you hear about VMware FT? I just read a bit about it on http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-esx-40-ft-fault-tolerant-sneak-peek.html
Would u think that would replace VMware HA? I had seen a video even of FT on that link. Is it available yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you hear about VMware FT? I just read a bit about it on&nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-esx-40-ft-fault-tolerant-sneak-peek.html" title="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-esx-40-ft-fault-tolerant-sneak-peek.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtua&#8230;&lt;/a&gt;<br />
Would u think that would replace VMware HA? I had seen a video even of FT on that link. Is it available yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Virtualization Master</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/server-virtualization/vmware-defends-its-upcoming-fault-tolerance-feature/#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator>Virtualization Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I have been one of the lucky people who got to try VMware 4.0 beta. I have played with the VMware FT feature and it seems solid and a great addition to a great product in my opinion. If you still in doubt check out the sneak preview &#38; video found at http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-esx-40-ft-fault-tolerant-sneak-peek.html
which will get you nudging your head and ready for the release of VMware FT.

Enjoy,
Virtualization Master</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have been one of the lucky people who got to try VMware 4.0 beta. I have played with the VMware FT feature and it seems solid and a great addition to a great product in my opinion. If you still in doubt check out the sneak preview &amp; video found at&nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-esx-40-ft-fault-tolerant-sneak-peek.html" title="http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtualization-vmware/vmware-esx-40-ft-fault-tolerant-sneak-peek.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.virtualizationteam.com/virtua&#8230;&lt;/a&gt;<br />
which will get you nudging your head and ready for the release of VMware FT.</p>
<p>Enjoy,<br />
Virtualization Master</p>
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		<title>By: Wrestler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrestler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You’re right this looks to me like a “pissing contest” between VMware and Marathon.  To your point, one is Xen based, and won’t run VMware, the other is VMware and doesn’t support Xen, sort of a silly argument.

What I find interesting is the limitations to these software FT products.  I did sit in on the VMware FT session that was held right after Tuesday mornings keynote by Paul Maritz.  The room was very large and it was practically full, so there certainly was some interest.  And the person who gave the presentation I thought did a great job of not “marketing” this as the answer to every availability problem out there.  The fact that there is no release date or no pricing was a bit disconcerting, I have heard a few different dates and those keep shifting (and not in a good way).  One of the big issues that you have with software FT is the inability to scale.  This is true with the Xen based products and it seems to also be true with VMware.  Applications can not span past a single core. This is a “nut” that no one has been able to crack to this point.  Now that may not be an issue as long as the application you want to run in FT (mode) doesn’t need more horsepower then a single core can provide.  The problem there is that it’s difficult to know this, and worse, we all know that peak times cause spikes and with the overhead that VMware is stating (could be as high as 20% in worst case), performance could become and issue very quickly.  Another significant issue with software lock step, is latency. The “roundtrip time” required for tasks like replication, heartbeat, and replay adds to the amount of time required to process a transaction and can not be solved by simply over-configuring a server with additional resources.  These software FT solutions also require two (2) servers, each configured with a copy of the software plus duplicate copies of all the guest operating systems and applications that require protection. So ultimately, the need to “double-up” on the amount of hardware and software the IT group needs to purchase and manage is contrary to one of the central reasons virtual environments are deployed in the first place. Add to that, there are inherent requirements for redundancy, networks, and storage in the architecture of VMware FT such that it may require the modification of you configuration, although the application itself does not require any modification.  This all begins to add up to complexities and cost that you uncover as you implement what was supposed to be a “cheap &#38; simple” solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re right this looks to me like a “pissing contest” between VMware and Marathon.  To your point, one is Xen based, and won’t run VMware, the other is VMware and doesn’t support Xen, sort of a silly argument.</p>
<p>What I find interesting is the limitations to these software FT products.  I did sit in on the VMware FT session that was held right after Tuesday mornings keynote by Paul Maritz.  The room was very large and it was practically full, so there certainly was some interest.  And the person who gave the presentation I thought did a great job of not “marketing” this as the answer to every availability problem out there.  The fact that there is no release date or no pricing was a bit disconcerting, I have heard a few different dates and those keep shifting (and not in a good way).  One of the big issues that you have with software FT is the inability to scale.  This is true with the Xen based products and it seems to also be true with VMware.  Applications can not span past a single core. This is a “nut” that no one has been able to crack to this point.  Now that may not be an issue as long as the application you want to run in FT (mode) doesn’t need more horsepower then a single core can provide.  The problem there is that it’s difficult to know this, and worse, we all know that peak times cause spikes and with the overhead that VMware is stating (could be as high as 20% in worst case), performance could become and issue very quickly.  Another significant issue with software lock step, is latency. The “roundtrip time” required for tasks like replication, heartbeat, and replay adds to the amount of time required to process a transaction and can not be solved by simply over-configuring a server with additional resources.  These software FT solutions also require two (2) servers, each configured with a copy of the software plus duplicate copies of all the guest operating systems and applications that require protection. So ultimately, the need to “double-up” on the amount of hardware and software the IT group needs to purchase and manage is contrary to one of the central reasons virtual environments are deployed in the first place. Add to that, there are inherent requirements for redundancy, networks, and storage in the architecture of VMware FT such that it may require the modification of you configuration, although the application itself does not require any modification.  This all begins to add up to complexities and cost that you uncover as you implement what was supposed to be a “cheap &amp; simple” solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not VMware's comments, it's Mike's comments... that's something totally different imho. That's why the disclaimer is on the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not VMware&#8217;s comments, it&#8217;s Mike&#8217;s comments&#8230; that&#8217;s something totally different imho. That&#8217;s why the disclaimer is on the blog.</p>
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