Discussion on: You mean I won’t get paid more for getting this cert? http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:07:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.1 By: Cisco tacks on a job matching service with their certification offering - The Network Hub: A SearchNetworking.com blog http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-92 Cisco tacks on a job matching service with their certification offering - The Network Hub: A SearchNetworking.com blog Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:48:42 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-92 [...] I begin to wonder what spurred this new direction for them. First Cisco adds consumer products to their plate, now, the job-seeking market. Did they decided there was more money in career-finding services, or did they too see the statistics released by Foote Partners LLC showing the average premium pay for uncertified workers exceeded those who were certified? [...] […] I begin to wonder what spurred this new direction for them. First Cisco adds consumer products to their plate, now, the job-seeking market. Did they decided there was more money in career-finding services, or did they too see the statistics released by Foote Partners LLC showing the average premium pay for uncertified workers exceeded those who were certified? […]

]]> By: Jfjpcman http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-14 Jfjpcman Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:55:46 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-14 I work for an organization that has hired based on both an applicant having a cert and ones not having a cert but had a degree and both have come out to be about the same with no hands on experience they didn't fill the position so they didn't last long on the job. Now as for myself I have certification that I didn't even consider trying to get until after I had experience using the software or hardware that they correlated to the cert and pursued them while working full time and going to college part time. So I believe that a certification value is like anything that has to do with a human it is all on the individual and should not be grouped together. I work for an organization that has hired based on both an applicant having a cert and ones not having a cert but had a degree and both have come out to be about the same with no hands on experience they didn’t fill the position so they didn’t last long on the job. Now as for myself I have certification that I didn’t even consider trying to get until after I had experience using the software or hardware that they correlated to the cert and pursued them while working full time and going to college part time. So I believe that a certification value is like anything that has to do with a human it is all on the individual and should not be grouped together.

]]> By: IT SAVIOR GUY http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-12 IT SAVIOR GUY Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:20:34 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-12 Personally, I'm glad to see a turn toward skills over certs. I've seen way to many people come out of my program at school who are praised for having such high test scores (Test King memorizers) and yet they lacked all hands on skills. One of them actually beat me out of work because he passed a cert when I missed it by 1 question. He has since been fired. Maybe now my lack of money to go towards testing won't hold back my career. Personally, I’m glad to see a turn toward skills over certs. I’ve seen way to many people come out of my program at school who are praised for having such high test scores (Test King memorizers) and yet they lacked all hands on skills. One of them actually beat me out of work because he passed a cert when I missed it by 1 question. He has since been fired. Maybe now my lack of money to go towards testing won’t hold back my career.

]]> By: Chair http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-11 Chair Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:59:43 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-11 SrITguy, I'm very confused. Are you arguing that people like me should be penalized because we hire based upon skill instead of certification? Our policy is to hire the very best people. What we have noticed is that certain certifications have negative correlation to ability. SrITguy, I’m very confused. Are you arguing that people like me should be penalized because we hire based upon skill instead of certification? Our policy is to hire the very best people. What we have noticed is that certain certifications have negative correlation to ability.

]]> By: Netspert http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-10 Netspert Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:52:59 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-10 Hey SrITguy: You have a strange outlook - you advocate the inmates running the show. That makes you sound like a union guy! Tell me, will those "organizations" take responsibility for the company making a profit for the stockholders? It sounds to me like management IS "doing the right thing" in choosing to hire appropriate skill sets rather than certs from self-serving "organizations." Hey SrITguy: You have a strange outlook - you advocate the inmates running the show. That makes you sound like a union guy! Tell me, will those “organizations” take responsibility for the company making a profit for the stockholders? It sounds to me like management IS “doing the right thing” in choosing to hire appropriate skill sets rather than certs from self-serving “organizations.”

]]> By: SrITguy http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-9 SrITguy Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:41:04 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-9 I think it sad that certifications are not correlating well with qualifications, and this is a sad day. I think that there are too many useless certifications that do not require work experience and professional norming as part of the certification process. Another problem occurs when management can make arguments for prefering persons without certifications. That is that management has more power over its organizations than organizations should allow (we are not talking here about mom and pop shops here, where the owner needs to be in total control - to eat or be broke). People working for corporations/government need to be able to do the right thing, regardless of the likes of management, instead of being defacto hamstrung into following orders that are for the benefit of management first. Certifications that require ethical standards, experience and the enforcement of professional norms should be prevailing, and professional groups should be lobbying for penalties to be placed on organizations and managers that want to cheat on quality (by not allowing their subordinates the ability to be properly certified - or prefering to hire uncertified personnel). I think it sad that certifications are not correlating well with qualifications, and this is a sad day. I think that there are too many useless certifications that do not require work experience and professional norming as part of the certification process.

Another problem occurs when management can make arguments for prefering persons without certifications. That is that management has more power over its organizations than organizations should allow (we are not talking here about mom and pop shops here, where the owner needs to be in total control - to eat or be broke). People working for corporations/government need to be able to do the right thing, regardless of the likes of management, instead of being defacto hamstrung into following orders that are for the benefit of management first.

Certifications that require ethical standards, experience and the enforcement of professional norms should be prevailing, and professional groups should be lobbying for penalties to be placed on organizations and managers that want to cheat on quality (by not allowing their subordinates the ability to be properly certified - or prefering to hire uncertified personnel).

]]> By: Chair http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-8 Chair Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:07:24 +0000 http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/networkhub/you-mean-i-wont-get-paid-more-for-getting-this-cert/#comment-8 I would be interested in a similar study to see if the same holds true for Sun's Java and JavaEE certified engineers. My experience with hundreds of resumes is that certification has no correlation to qualification. In fact, there's a reverse correlation: those with Sun certification nearly always are under qualified. I would be interested in a similar study to see if the same holds true for Sun’s Java and JavaEE certified engineers. My experience with hundreds of resumes is that certification has no correlation to qualification. In fact, there’s a reverse correlation: those with Sun certification nearly always are under qualified.

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