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October 19, 2017  12:27 PM

MobileIron CEO out in favor of CFO: Why now?

Colin Steele Colin Steele Profile: Colin Steele
BlackBerry, Citrix, Enterprise, Gartner, IBM, Mobile, MobileIron, VMware

As the biggest standalone vendor left in the EMM market, MobileIron has faced questions about its future for years. Those will only intensify in light of the surprise departure of CEO Barry Mainz.

Mainz and the board of directors came to a mutual decision that he should leave, the company said this week. CFO Simon Biddiscombe will take his place as MobileIron CEO and on the board. The move came as MobileIron announced its preliminary financial results for Q3, which fell short of analysts’ expectations.

All of the other major enterprise mobility management (EMM) vendors, with the exception of BlackBerry, are large enterprise software providers that offer a variety of end-user computing and IT infrastructure products. Most of them, including VMware, IBM and Citrix, got into the market by acquiring standalone EMM vendors. And even BlackBerry contributed to the EMM market consolidation by buying rival Good Technology.

Because of these market dynamics, acquisition chatter regularly swirls around MobileIron. By naming its CFO as chief executive, the company has added fuel to that fire.

“When you put in the CFO as CEO, you’re looking for a sale,” said analyst Maribel Lopez, founder of Lopez Research, on Twitter.

New MobileIron CEO faces uphill climb

Biddiscombe, who has been with MobileIron since 2015, does have CEO experience, however. He was chief executive of server and storage vendor QLogic from 2010 to 2013, when he resigned after a period of steady sales declines.

In his introductory letter as MobileIron CEO, Biddiscombe positioned the company’s standalone status as a positive.

“Our strengths are our focus and agility, and, as a result, we are better positioned than any other company to support our customers,” he wrote.

But focus and agility are not exclusive to smaller vendors. Mobility isn’t exactly getting lost in the shuffle at VMware, which is using AirWatch’s technology for lots of new innovations around workspaces and identity management, for example. MobileIron also has some weaknesses that Biddiscombe’s letter alluded to, including in sales and operations.

All in all, it’s clear that he’ll have some work to do to keep up with much larger competitors — if that is his goal, rather than priming the company for a sale.

Mainz era comes to an end

Mainz took over as MobileIron CEO from co-founder Bob Tinker in January 2016, following a challenging time for the vendor and the EMM market as a whole. The company went public in 2014, just months after rival AirWatch sold to VMware. Wall Street began to view EMM as a small piece of a bigger puzzle, and MobileIron’s stock price suffered, dropping from $9 at initial public offering to below $4 when Tinker stepped down.

Upon his hiring as MobileIron CEO, Mainz sent mixed messages about the company’s future, saying he’d “look at all offers” for an acquisition but also that “my plan’s not to sell.” Over the past 21 months, he managed to keep MobileIron on pace with its EMM market competitors; the company remained a leader in the Gartner Magic Quadrant for both 2016 and 2017. And for a while, the stock price was on the way to recovery, reaching a high of $6.60 in June of this year.

But in July, around the time MobileIron announced Q2 revenue that missed Wall Street’s mark, the stock plummeted to the mid-$4 range, and it has hovered at or below the $4 mark since August.

October 13, 2017  6:49 PM

Is shadow IT really that bad?

Eddie Lockhart Eddie Lockhart Profile: Eddie Lockhart
Cloud Computing, Enterprise, IT department, NASA

SAN FRANCISCO — In a lot of circles, shadow IT is considered a dirty term — something IT should prevent at all costs. In reality, however, shadow IT can be a great resource for IT departments, helping them identify problem areas and understand what users really need to get their jobs done.

The idea is that users are partners that IT should work with, not talk down to. Open lines of communication are critical to creating that partnership. In fact, if IT works with users, shadow IT can lead organizations to useful enterprise tools for file-sharing or other technologies.

Instead of just saying ‘no’ to what users want, the IT department at San Jose Unified School District seeks them out to learn more.

“Tell us what you’re doing or not able to do, and that changes the conversation, where we never would’ve known about that wonderful free application,” said Emalie McGinnis, director of technology and data services for the school system, here in a session at BoxWorks.

NASA had around 9,000 people using unsanctioned enterprise file sync-and-share (EFSS) tools. When the space agency became aware, it adopted Box to help solve the problem, said Chris Blakeley, a NASA application software developer.

“Users just want to get their jobs done, and if we don’t have the solutions for them regularly available, they’re going to do it on their own,” Blakeley said.

In other situations, rather than moving users to a new tool, IT should assess the risk of some of the unsanctioned software users work with, Blakeley said. If the risk is small, it may be better to let users work with software IT is aware of, rather than blocking it and having them find another option IT doesn’t know about that might be worse, he said.

Users aren’t out of the woods

Accountability is still critical. Just because shadow IT is not the harbinger of disaster some people think it is, users still need to take responsibility for the corporate data they interact with.

“You can’t bypass the security rules just because you want to do your job,” Blakeley said.

One way to ensure that users understand the requirements around cloud storage and file-sharing, for instance, is to create a cloud governance policy that clearly explains what software IT approves and what it denies.

“Users will want to do the right thing; it’s just that they don’t have the reference architecture [to always do it],” said Srini Gurrapu, vice president of customer solutions at Skyhigh Networks.


September 20, 2017  3:21 PM

Apple iOS 11 Mail app bug hits business users hard

Kelly Stewart Profile: Kelly Stewart
Apple iOS, exchange 2016, Windows Server 2016

By Priyanka Ketkar and Kelly Stewart, Editors

Early adopters of Apple iOS 11 are unable to send Microsoft-provided email using the native Mail app.

Apple and Microsoft both issued statements yesterday, the official launch date of the new operating system, acknowledging the iOS 11 Mail app problem. It affects Outlook.com, Office 365 and Exchange 2016 running on Windows Server 2016. Many businesses rely on Exchange and Office 365 for email.

In its statement, Apple said it is working with Microsoft to fix the iOS 11 email problem in an upcoming software update. The issue occurs because the operating system does not successfully create an HTTP/2 Transport Layer Security connection, which prohibits outgoing email from being delivered, according to The Essential Exchange blog.

Many users expressed outrage on a Reddit thread about the issue, especially amidst reports that Apple knew — or at least should have known — about it dating back to July, when beta testers first ran into problems sending Microsoft email through the iOS 11 Mail app.

Microsoft’s statement went so far as to state that the iOS 11 Mail app is not compatible with Outlook.com, Office 365 or Exchange 2016 on Windows Server 2016. The company offered two different workarounds: users can download its Outlook iOS app, which is compatible with these services, or IT administrators can disable HTTP/2 in Windows Server 2016 to fix the problem with Exchange 2016 accounts.


September 13, 2017  5:38 PM

Face ID and Apple Watch 3 enterprise issues to start thinking about

Colin Steele Colin Steele Profile: Colin Steele
Apple, Apple Watch, iPhone, Mobile security, smartphone

Once you got past the fawning over Steve Jobs and the comical rebranding of retail stores, yesterday’s Apple Event had some news with important IT implications.

Apple unveiled the Apple Watch 3, its first smartwatch with LTE connectivity. And the new iPhone X — the X is pronounced 10 for some reason — comes with Face ID, which lets users unlock the device with facial recognition technology. IT pros who manage and secure Apple devices should pay attention to both developments.

More Apple Watch 3 enterprise management needed

Previous Apple Watch models relied on a Bluetooth connection to an iPhone for most of their functionality. (The Apple Watch 2 can make and receive calls and use iMessage and some third-party apps without an iPhone, but these tasks require Wi-Fi. And without an iPhone, the watch can only connect to Wi-Fi networks it has previously joined, so its usefulness is limited.)

Because of the Apple Watch’s dependence on the iPhone, IT hasn’t had to do much additional management and security work. Admins can outright prohibit a corporate-owned iPhone in Supervised Mode from pairing with an Apple Watch through the iOS mobile device management (MDM) APIs. Otherwise, if a user can get corporate email through their iPhone’s native Mail app, they can get it on their Apple Watch too. Conversely, if IT enforces a certain policy on an iPhone app, and the Apple Watch version of that app requires an iPhone connection, the same policy will effectively apply there as well.

That could all change. Although it’s not clear yet how exactly Apple Watch 3 enterprise management will work, LTE connectivity eliminates the iPhone requirement, which could make the smartwatch an entirely new device that IT has to manage and secure. It wouldn’t be an immediate problem for most organizations, because enterprise use cases for smartwatches are still emerging, but there could be an uptick in simple user requests for things like email access.

Additionally, the major U.S. carriers will charge $10 a month to add an Apple Watch 3 to existing data plans. That could be an issue for organizations that pay for employees’ devices and data, as Jack Madden of BrianMadden.com pointed out.

Face ID enterprise security concerns emerge

Face ID is Apple’s latest biometric authentication feature, following in the footsteps of Touch ID, which allows users to unlock their iPhones and iPads (and log in to some apps) through a fingerprint sensor on the home button. The iPhone X doesn’t have a home button — it’s all screen, except for a weird notch at the top — so it instead relies on facial recognition technology.

As with Touch ID, Face ID isn’t meant to replace passwords, but it can be a convenient second factor for two-factor authentication. Some users and IT professionals have security and privacy concerns about biometrics in general, and facial recognition opens up a whole new can of worms.

“Unlike a passcode, your face can’t easily change,” Andy Greenberg wrote in Wired. “If someone does find a way to spoof it … they can spoof it forever.”

Twitter parody account PHP CEO came up with a funny way to address that problem:

For a less drastic solution, IT should keep an eye on the MDM capabilities in the iPhone X. Admins can disable Touch ID through MDM, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if that’s possible for Face ID as well.


August 23, 2017  7:41 PM

Digital transformation trends put EUC in the spotlight

Alyssa Provazza Alyssa Provazza Profile: Alyssa Provazza
Digital transformation, Gartner, mobile apps, User experience

SAN DIEGO — Not that long ago, many people in IT weren’t familiar with the term end-user computing — despite the fact that delivering technical resources to end users and customers is essentially the main purpose of the IT department. But that’s all changing.

Historically, IT tended to focus on back-end infrastructure. Challenges around server scalability, storage capacity and network latency consumed the minds of IT pros. The user experience (UX) those systems delivered was often an afterthought. Today, end-user computing (EUC) is coming to the forefront as digital transformation trends sweep through many companies. It’s also transforming the way IT pros do their jobs.

The roles of attendees here at the Gartner Catalyst conference ranged from systems administrators to cloud architects to traditional desktop admins who’ve now embraced mobile. Many of them told me their jobs have evolved to require more attention on UX. An information services architect said his investment firm is even training users on low-code application development tools to let them create the apps they need themselves.

This is all happening because cloud computing, virtualization and software-defined architectures are solving the infrastructure problems of the past, said Danny Brian, vice president and analyst at Gartner, in the keynote Monday. As a result, IT pros from all backgrounds need to understand EUC, especially with the emergence of shadow IT and citizen technologists.

“A practitioner of IT must become far broader, because people who aren’t in our profession are becoming more technical and capable and coming up with solutions that work for them on their own,” said Mindy Cancila, research vice president at Gartner, during the keynote.

The two speakers shared these keys for IT pros to keep in mind as digital transformation trends force their roles to evolve:

Precision

Organizations must build front-end apps and their underlying infrastructure more precisely than the oft-overprovisioned systems of the past, Brian said. Traditionally, IT would plan the back end for peak capacity and provision resources that the app didn’t use, which was inefficient and costly.

IT must now create more specific, targeted apps that address one business problem, rather than delivering huge applications that tackle too much at once.

“Can you deliver solutions instantaneously at the moment they’re needed?” Brian said. “Do your apps and services have the proper granularity to them? Are you solving the right precise problems to begin with?”

Disposability

Organizations should be able to dump resources they don’t need and shift quickly to handle new requirements and respond to emerging technologies, Brian said. This approach helps avoid unnecessary risk.

“What is the cost to migrate away from every solution you own today?” Cancila said. “Does every solution have an easy way to export all of the data it’s collecting?”

Disposability is particularly critical as IT begins to support more types of endpoints and adopt software, such as workspace management, that condenses multiple systems into single consoles.

Autonomy

Machine learning tools and digital assistants contribute to the trends of automation and of systems and users making their own decisions, and IT should embrace that, Cancila said.

“We have to build systems to empower people and empower machines to be more independent,” she said.

Despite these digital transformation trends, it’s important to remember that IT pros will always play a role in EUC. Admins will have to manage the tools that glean machine learning data, and developers will have to create applications that present that data in a way that makes sense.

“The more machines can anticipate what we need, the simpler the interfaces should become,” Brian said. “Are you buying tools … that solve problems, not create them?”


August 10, 2017  1:44 PM

Apple Watch LTE connectivity is right on time

Ramin Edmond Profile: Ramin Edmond
4G LTE, Apple, Apple Watch, iPhone, Smartwatch

There was a lot of hype surrounding the Apple Watch upon its 2014 launch, but the excitement waned as experts questioned its usefulness and heavy reliance on a nearby iPhone.

Three years ago, many media outlets took the angle of the Apple Watch being the company’s first completely new product category under CEO Tim Cook, saying its success would validate his place at the head of the company. Some analysts believed the smartwatch would eventually surpass the success of the iPad, which had just reached 200 million units sold.

But at the same time, a friend of mine in the IT industry said something that I’ve never heard a good rebuttal for: “For $350, why don’t I just stick my hand in my pocket and pull out my phone?”

And for the last three years, he’s been right. Newer models of the Apple Watch have come down in price, but its reliance on the user’s iPhone — which must be in close proximity to the watch to get cellular connectivity — still hinders its practicality and convenience. Unless your Apple Watch is connected to Wi-Fi, you need your iPhone nearby for anything that requires an internet connection, including checking messages, emails and receiving other notifications. Why not just use your phone and save the money?

Apple plans to address this issue this fall when it gives the Apple Watch LTE connectivity by putting Intel LTE modems in the smartwatches, according to Bloomberg. By removing a reason for people not to buy the device, Apple Watch LTE connectivity could boost adoption.

“This will inspire another wave of people getting excited about smartwatches,” said Patrick Moorhead, president and principal analyst of research firm Moor Insights and Strategy in Austin, Texas.

Some competing smartwatches already have LTE connectivity, including the Samsung Gear S and the LG Watch Urbane Second Edition. These products haven’t taken over the smartwatch market, but Apple’s uncanny ability to draw users to capabilities that competitors already have should be no different here.

For IT departments, this means employees will bring in more internet-connected devices, which means more endpoints for data to get out of IT’s umbrella of control.

“IT people should be aware of it just like they should be aware of anything that has LTE today,” Moorhead said. “They don’t need to be on your network.”

There is still a good amount of questions that users need answered.

Aside from making calls, will the watch be able to do everything the phone can do completely on its own?

Will users have to pay for a separate data plan for the watch? That could sway people away from buying it, depending on the cost.

How much battery life will LTE connection guzzle up? Battery life is already a sensitive topic when it comes to the device, so this could be a big issue.

Will Apple make the watches larger to fit bigger batteries inside? There are people who wouldn’t mind larger watches, as long as they’re not too clunky.

Apple will need time to get the LTE experience right, Moorhead said.

“I don’t think the first implementation will be perfect,” he said. “But it’ll be an important move for down the road.”


August 7, 2017  3:23 PM

Three VMware EUC predictions for VMworld 2017

Colin Steele Colin Steele Profile: Colin Steele
"Amazon Web Services", Amazon, Citrix, Enterprise mobility, Google Cloud, IT conferences, IT conferences and events, Mobile management, VMware, VMworld

VMworld hasn’t exactly been known for its major EUC news in recent years.

For someone who remembers the days when the event’s second-day keynotes were devoted to end-user computing (EUC), it’s been frustrating, but also understandable. As VMware has expanded into more and more markets — cloud, networking, storage — desktop virtualization’s slice of the pie has decreased. Plus, since the 2014 acquisition of AirWatch, VMware has held its own enterprise mobility conference less than a month after VMworld.

But this year, VMware folded that event, AirWatch Connect, into VMworld. More attendees will be interested in hearing about new VMware EUC technology, and the company will be expected to deliver. To that end, here are three VMware EUC predictions for VMworld 2017:

Workflow apps partnerships

As we reported last week, VMware is getting into the workflow apps market. There will be a VMworld session showing off new tech that lets IT build unified, mobile-friendly interfaces for common business tasks. Now the question is, what exactly is the go-to-market strategy? It wouldn’t be a surprise if VMware were to partner with one or more of the vendors that already offer workflow app capabilities. It would make sense for VMware — why reinvent the wheel? — and for these other providers, who are small, relatively unknown and sure could use the exposure.

More Workspace One integration

VMware EUC shops would benefit from some deeper integration between the different components in Workspace One. If you need AirWatch for enterprise mobility management and Horizon View for desktop virtualization, for example, it’s great that you can buy them together and manage them from one console. But the true promise of workspace suites is the ability to provide the right applications and data to users at the right time on the right device, and in that regard, IT pros say the products aren’t quite there yet.

DaaS primed for Amazon

VMware already offers its virtual desktops and applications as a cloud service, both on its own and through Microsoft Azure. But now that VMware has cozied up to Amazon Web Services for infrastructure as a service, could desktop as a service (DaaS) be far behind? Amazon has a competing DaaS offering, WorkSpaces, but cloud weaves a tangled web, and that doesn’t necessarily rule anything out. Plus, Citrix Cloud also runs on Azure and just joined up with Google Cloud as well, so it would be smart for VMware to make its services available on as many cloud offerings as possible.

What are your VMware EUC predictions for VMworld 2017? Share them in the comments below.


August 4, 2017  7:09 PM

Apple earnings growth comes from transition to services

Ramin Edmond Profile: Ramin Edmond
Apple, BlackBerry, iPhone, Microsoft

The transition of many tech giants into software and services vendors was apparent during Apple earnings on Tuesday night. The biggest tech company in the world, known for the Mac, iPhone and iPad, is in the midst of this transition.

Apple’s iPhones were still far and away the company’s biggest source of revenue in the quarter ending July 1. But Apple’s earnings call revealed only 2% growth in iPhone sales year over year in that quarter, a three-month stretch in which the overall smartphone market dropped by 3.3%, according to IDC.

Despite this slow growth in Apple’s biggest product segment, the company was still able to increase its revenue by 7% to $45.5 billion. That’s because Apple’s services segment saw 22% growth year over year, bringing in more than $7.27 billion — making it Apple’s second-most valuable product segment, beating out both the Mac ($5.59 billion) and the iPad ($4.97 billion).

Other tech giants are focusing on software and services as well.

“That’s the way the industry is going,” said Zeus Kerravala, founder and principal analyst at ZK Research in Westminster, Mass. “People underappreciate how much engineering it takes to make software easy to use. Apple offers an experience that’s unparalleled, and it changed the industry.”

In a much more extreme example, BlackBerry’s smartphone business fell off a cliff in the late 2000s, and the company survived on its savings account while transforming itself into a software and services company. Today, BlackBerry still makes phones, but it’s the enterprise mobility management software and QNX software for connected cars that pay the bills.

Another tech giant that adjusted its business model is Microsoft, which has always been a software company but now makes more money from Office 365 subscriptions than it does from on-premises Office licenses. Microsoft faced a huge problem when it would release updates to Windows or Office and few customers would buy the new versions right away, Kerravala said. Now companies pay the subscription fees for Office 365, Azure and other Microsoft software.

“They made that transition nicely,” Kerravala said. “This is a company people thought was dead under [former CEO] Steve Ballmer.”

Apple’s services segment is largely made up of revenue from App Store apps and in-app purchases. It also includes money made from organizations creating and deploying custom iOS apps. Apple made key partnerships with SAP and IBM over the last three years, allowing organizations to create these apps using its Swift programming language while taking advantage of those enterprise vendors’ back-end systems.

Highlight during Apple’s earnings call was the fruits of the company’s partnership with SAP. SuccessFactors Mobile, SAP’s first human resources app for iOS, shipped in June, and 47 million employees worldwide will use it.

Apple’s software and services business has plenty of room to grow, too, thanks to new offerings such as ARKit. With every iOS developer on the planet having access to this developer kit, augmented reality apps could soon be commonplace on Apple devices.

“It’s exciting to think of the possibilities,” Kerravala said.


July 31, 2017  4:18 PM

Why smartphone technology won’t ever replace PCs

Ramin Edmond Profile: Ramin Edmond
MacBook, PCs and desktops, PCs and iPhone, Smartphones

Since the release of the iPhone in 2007, smartphone technology has become so advanced that the devices really are mini computers. But that doesn’t mean they’ll replace actual PCs.

Innovations to smartphone technology over the years include more powerful batteries and processors and larger displays with better resolution. But smartphones will never replace PCs because the size of a laptop always allows for better internal specs than the latest and greatest smartphone, including in the areas of storage, processing power and batteries. Additionally, the larger form factor of a PC makes it more ideal for completing certain demanding tasks.

Erik Lightbody, assistant director of technical services at Saint Michael’s College in Colchester, Vt., uses a laptop, a desktop PC, a smartphone and an iPad throughout a typical day.

“I use each for different things … but I’ll use my laptop or desktop PC for more complicated tasks,” he said.

The Apple iPhone 7 has the company’s A10 processor, while MacBooks have dual-core or quad-core Intel processors. Both Intel and Apple make very powerful processors but the MacBook gets the advantage because it can fit multiple processors inside the casing. When it comes to battery life, the iPhone 7 has 1,960 milliamp hour (mAh) of capacity, and any MacBook has more than 4,000 mAh. The iPhone 7 maxes out at 256 GB of storage, and the MacBook Pro maxes out at 512 GB.

Obviously, smartphone technology today is very impressive, too; I can stream music, check my email and respond to texts from my iPhone while updating all my apps in the background. My Power Macintosh G3 from 1999 struggled to run multiple applications at once. But simply because of the form factor, there are still certain tasks I would rather do on that old Mac than a new iPhone 7, such as working with spreadsheets or building a presentation.

Lightbody agreed.

“If I do spreadsheet work, I won’t do it on my phone,” he said. “I’ll use my office laptop. I could do it on my phone, but it’s not a good experience.”

Smartphones are great if you want to quickly check email, schedule an appointment in the calendar app, approve a memo or check a travel itinerary, for example. But to get real work done that requires word processing, working with Excel or doing graphics design in Adobe Photoshop, for instance, the screen size, keyboard and mouse on a PC go a long way in making you more productive.

That will never change, because no one wants a smartphone the size of a laptop.


July 12, 2017  1:42 PM

Former Citrix CEO defends company against VMware

Colin Steele Colin Steele Profile: Colin Steele
AirWatch, Citrix, Desktop virtualization, Enterprise mobility, VMware

Sanjay Poonen, VMware’s chief operating officer, actively promotes his company on Twitter — sometimes at the expense of competitors.

In the past few weeks, Poonen tweeted a news story about BlackBerry’s declining software revenue, citing it as evidence of VMware’s growth in the enterprise mobility management (EMM) market. And he encouraged attendees of Microsoft’s partner conference to ditch Intune, that company’s EMM product, in favor of VMware’s AirWatch.

So it shouldn’t have been a surprise when Poonen weighed in on Kirill Tatarinov’s sudden departure as Citrix CEO, posting this tweet to his 19,000-plus followers:

What was surprising, however, was the response he received from Mark Templeton, who served as Citrix CEO from 2001 to 2015. Templeton, who tweets just a few times per month and typically takes a more subdued approach, did not hold back in his defense of his former employer. He even compared Poonen to a certain other bombastic Twitter user:

Having four CEOs in less than two years is never a good sign for any company. It would be naïve to expect VMware to ignore the situation at Citrix and not try to take advantage. That said, it’s quite a leap to imply, as Poonen did, that VMware’s push into the end-user computing market caused the turmoil at Citrix.

Yes, Citrix did drop out of the leaders quadrant in this year’s Gartner Magic Quadrant for EMM. But as we reported yesterday, that’s more likely because of Citrix’s confusing Microsoft partnership in that market, not anything that VMware has done. And although VMware has made significant strides in desktop and application virtualization, Citrix still has the lead in these areas.

Furthermore, Citrix has reported successful financial earnings as of late. Profits increased by nearly $217 million last year, and the stock price is more than double what it was two years ago. The problem isn’t that Citrix isn’t turning a profit or making money for investors. The problem appears to be that Citrix isn’t turning as much of a profit or making as much money for investors as the board of directors would like.

That doesn’t mean the future is all rosy for Citrix. Existing customers aren’t all buying in on its cloud-first vision. And pivoting to a security and analytics provider will be a daunting task, as those have never been major focal points for the vendor. VMware’s competitive messaging would be more effective if it focused on these issues.

As for Templeton, his rebuke of Poonen wasn’t the only interesting thing he had to say on Twitter this week. In response to a tweet noting that there have been more Citrix CEOs in two years than Microsoft has had in 42 years, he wrote:

Update: After the publication of this article, Poonen tweeted this reply to Templeton:


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