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		<title>By: yorkshireman</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98549</link>
		<dc:creator>yorkshireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re a little short of information here.

All we know so far is that a document was produced on an IBM i which, when printed, is &#039;smaller than the original&#039;  


There are 3  PDf builders on our box running under i/OS, and an indeterminate number of other tools in the hinterland - there are 2 on my PC.  


Like any printing problem you&#039;ll need to isolate the components and check them off at each stage from generating a spoolfile (we ARE discussing a conventional QPRINT type spoolfile being generated??  )   all the way through its various post processing stages and submisison to a particular print driver stream.  HPGL is not the same as IPDS  etc 

so 
What originated the print?  - what form did it take - have you printed it
What converted it to PDF standard - with what settings ?

What have you tested the result on?  How was the &#039;original&#039; derived, and on what platform? 

What are the printer settings in use for each - 


and so on and on until we bottom it out..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re a little short of information here.</p>
<p>All we know so far is that a document was produced on an IBM i which, when printed, is &#8216;smaller than the original&#8217;  </p>
<p>There are 3  PDf builders on our box running under i/OS, and an indeterminate number of other tools in the hinterland &#8211; there are 2 on my PC.  </p>
<p>Like any printing problem you&#8217;ll need to isolate the components and check them off at each stage from generating a spoolfile (we ARE discussing a conventional QPRINT type spoolfile being generated??  )   all the way through its various post processing stages and submisison to a particular print driver stream.  HPGL is not the same as IPDS  etc </p>
<p>so<br />
What originated the print?  &#8211; what form did it take &#8211; have you printed it<br />
What converted it to PDF standard &#8211; with what settings ?</p>
<p>What have you tested the result on?  How was the &#8216;original&#8217; derived, and on what platform? </p>
<p>What are the printer settings in use for each &#8211; </p>
<p>and so on and on until we bottom it out..</p>
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		<title>By: bigmac46</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98547</link>
		<dc:creator>bigmac46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Tom&#039;s explaination is on the money. 
We did have an issuie with 2 printers installed same day, same model with y 1 of them  generating slightly different output from all other printers.  After about 3  weeks playing with it and verifying settings and changes per  IBM and Lexmark  tech support it was decide one printer was not &quot;built&quot;  correctly at the factory. We then were instructed to download  files we had to push to the printer to get it set the same as the other.  Wow  - Success.  I would hope this was a rare occurrence but ?????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tom&#8217;s explaination is on the money.<br />
We did have an issuie with 2 printers installed same day, same model with y 1 of them  generating slightly different output from all other printers.  After about 3  weeks playing with it and verifying settings and changes per  IBM and Lexmark  tech support it was decide one printer was not &#8220;built&#8221;  correctly at the factory. We then were instructed to download  files we had to push to the printer to get it set the same as the other.  Wow  &#8211; Success.  I would hope this was a rare occurrence but ?????</p>
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		<title>By: tomliotta</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98531</link>
		<dc:creator>tomliotta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe &quot;PDF&quot; is misunderstood. I understand PDFs to be a method of creating a document that will look essentially the same regardless of the printer that renders. (Assuming, of course, that all of those printers are capable of printing PDFs.)

That is, if you send the document to an Epson, a Canon, an HP or an IBM printer, the output will look essentially the same on all of them.

But, the characteristics of the PDF are not guaranteed to match characteristics of any document that was used to create the PDF. The original document is very different from the PDF generated from it.

The original problem was that a non-PDF document would render differently on different printers. PDFs were intended to be &quot;portable&quot; (hence the &quot;P&quot; in &quot;PDF&quot;). Once you had a PDF looking the way you wanted, you could feel reasonably sure that anyone would see the same result that you see from the PDF. But again, it might not look like the original because the original can look different on different printers running from different platforms with different drivers.

If an original appears different coming from two different printers, which appearance should the PDF match?

Tom]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe &#8220;PDF&#8221; is misunderstood. I understand PDFs to be a method of creating a document that will look essentially the same regardless of the printer that renders. (Assuming, of course, that all of those printers are capable of printing PDFs.)</p>
<p>That is, if you send the document to an Epson, a Canon, an HP or an IBM printer, the output will look essentially the same on all of them.</p>
<p>But, the characteristics of the PDF are not guaranteed to match characteristics of any document that was used to create the PDF. The original document is very different from the PDF generated from it.</p>
<p>The original problem was that a non-PDF document would render differently on different printers. PDFs were intended to be &#8220;portable&#8221; (hence the &#8220;P&#8221; in &#8220;PDF&#8221;). Once you had a PDF looking the way you wanted, you could feel reasonably sure that anyone would see the same result that you see from the PDF. But again, it might not look like the original because the original can look different on different printers running from different platforms with different drivers.</p>
<p>If an original appears different coming from two different printers, which appearance should the PDF match?</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: bigmac46</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98311</link>
		<dc:creator>bigmac46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is kinda interesting in that  our PDF conversion is printing a document a little larger.  Could it be a result of the setings  on the printer on the Print Area selection such  as &quot;fit to page&quot;,  &quot;whole page&quot; &quot;normal&quot; , or an Printable Area setting on the IPDS  addon if the printer has one?   There seem to be  lot of &quot;POSSIBLEs&quot;  and the only way to realy find out is play with the settings on a printer and see what happens. It could even be the way the I series will perform font substitutions in the back ground and you may not even be aware it is happening.  We like the larger font on the PDF so we did not worry about it even look into why&#039;  Hope I did no cloud up the issue too much but I was just thinkin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kinda interesting in that  our PDF conversion is printing a document a little larger.  Could it be a result of the setings  on the printer on the Print Area selection such  as &#8220;fit to page&#8221;,  &#8220;whole page&#8221; &#8220;normal&#8221; , or an Printable Area setting on the IPDS  addon if the printer has one?   There seem to be  lot of &#8220;POSSIBLEs&#8221;  and the only way to realy find out is play with the settings on a printer and see what happens. It could even be the way the I series will perform font substitutions in the back ground and you may not even be aware it is happening.  We like the larger font on the PDF so we did not worry about it even look into why&#8217;  Hope I did no cloud up the issue too much but I was just thinkin.</p>
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		<title>By: yorkshireman</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98292</link>
		<dc:creator>yorkshireman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a printer issue

How many different printers have you tested this on?
Have you investigated the printers settings?  How does the print reach the paper - if its a Client access providing the emulator interface, its a favorite to have &#039;Computer output&#039;Reduction&#039;  turned on by default to make a normal 132 print fit the page at the stated font size.   If you have adirectly attached printer, again you need to investigate how it is set up, at both eh device configuration in IBM i  and any &#039;hardware&#039; settings in the printers firmware. 


I just &lt;i&gt;love &lt;/i&gt;printer issues..





not]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a printer issue</p>
<p>How many different printers have you tested this on?<br />
Have you investigated the printers settings?  How does the print reach the paper &#8211; if its a Client access providing the emulator interface, its a favorite to have &#8216;Computer output&#8217;Reduction&#8217;  turned on by default to make a normal 132 print fit the page at the stated font size.   If you have adirectly attached printer, again you need to investigate how it is set up, at both eh device configuration in IBM i  and any &#8216;hardware&#8217; settings in the printers firmware. </p>
<p>I just <i>love </i>printer issues..</p>
<p>not</p>
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		<title>By: annehill</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98230</link>
		<dc:creator>annehill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pradeep, sorry but what do you mean - verify the size?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pradeep, sorry but what do you mean &#8211; verify the size?</p>
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		<title>By: deepu9321</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/why-does-the-pdf-not-print-same-size-as-the-original/#comment-98145</link>
		<dc:creator>deepu9321</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Anne,

Have you verifed the Size of the PDF with Over lay?
You should me matching the PDF size based on Overlay size.

Pradeep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,</p>
<p>Have you verifed the Size of the PDF with Over lay?<br />
You should me matching the PDF size based on Overlay size.</p>
<p>Pradeep.</p>
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