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		<title>By: flame</title>
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		<dc:creator>flame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the clarification, It makes more sense to me now.  I was thinking about this on the way to work, as integrated circuits in general are becoming more powerful, they are also becoming more fragile.  Perhaps RAM chips are starting to demonstrate the physical limitations of their manufacturing process.  I&#039;d imagine that CPU&#039;s and RAM both are made on rather densely populated dies, with extremely narrow connections.  CPU&#039;s get a fan at least.  Your question has caused me to look into the chip manufacturing industry, I&#039;m learning a lot!
Thanks!
-Flame]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the clarification, It makes more sense to me now.  I was thinking about this on the way to work, as integrated circuits in general are becoming more powerful, they are also becoming more fragile.  Perhaps RAM chips are starting to demonstrate the physical limitations of their manufacturing process.  I&#8217;d imagine that CPU&#8217;s and RAM both are made on rather densely populated dies, with extremely narrow connections.  CPU&#8217;s get a fan at least.  Your question has caused me to look into the chip manufacturing industry, I&#8217;m learning a lot!<br />
Thanks!<br />
-Flame</p>
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		<title>By: jim4522</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim4522</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Flame, when I say that the current disks are failing every &quot;500 months of server use&quot;, that is not the same as saying they fail every five hundred months. In a facility that has 10,000 servers that facility experiences 10,000 server months each month. And in that facility that means 20 diskdrives on average will need to be replaced if they are IBM quality diskdrives. In four years that facvilty will experience 480,000 server months of use and will experience the replacement of 960 again if they are IBM quality disdrives. But if those servers are from HP those 480,000 server months would produce 3,117 disk replacements because HP drives experience a diskdrive failure every 154 server months.
You might be interested in the following replacement rates in &quot;server use months&quot;:
Device          IBM       HP        Dell    Sun   Fujitsu
Sys BD         1291    742        895     727   1,427
Memory          407     255     1,044     163    150
Power Sup  3,874  1,293    1,044     283   2,855
Disk                 500     154       261      232      317
CPU               2,113  10,024  6,267   1,490   2,855 
HBA               2,213    8,019   2,089   2,981   571

The best composite server (Fujitsu sysy bd, Dell Memory, IBM power supply, IBM disk drive, HP CPU, HP HBA) would have 61% less failure then the best existing server.

If users measured the &quot;Maintenance Rates&quot; of servers and the &quot;Replacement Rates&quot; of the six major components that constitute 90+% of all failures the vendors would immediately respond by making much more reliable servers and components. And the cost of maintenance which is higher than either cooling and power cost would decrease substantially. Jim4522]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flame, when I say that the current disks are failing every &#8220;500 months of server use&#8221;, that is not the same as saying they fail every five hundred months. In a facility that has 10,000 servers that facility experiences 10,000 server months each month. And in that facility that means 20 diskdrives on average will need to be replaced if they are IBM quality diskdrives. In four years that facvilty will experience 480,000 server months of use and will experience the replacement of 960 again if they are IBM quality disdrives. But if those servers are from HP those 480,000 server months would produce 3,117 disk replacements because HP drives experience a diskdrive failure every 154 server months.<br />
You might be interested in the following replacement rates in &#8220;server use months&#8221;:<br />
Device          IBM       HP        Dell    Sun   Fujitsu<br />
Sys BD         1291    742        895     727   1,427<br />
Memory          407     255     1,044     163    150<br />
Power Sup  3,874  1,293    1,044     283   2,855<br />
Disk                 500     154       261      232      317<br />
CPU               2,113  10,024  6,267   1,490   2,855<br />
HBA               2,213    8,019   2,089   2,981   571</p>
<p>The best composite server (Fujitsu sysy bd, Dell Memory, IBM power supply, IBM disk drive, HP CPU, HP HBA) would have 61% less failure then the best existing server.</p>
<p>If users measured the &#8220;Maintenance Rates&#8221; of servers and the &#8220;Replacement Rates&#8221; of the six major components that constitute 90+% of all failures the vendors would immediately respond by making much more reliable servers and components. And the cost of maintenance which is higher than either cooling and power cost would decrease substantially. Jim4522</p>
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