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  Asked: Jan 14 2007   4:52 AM GMT
  Asked by: kellyb

Redundant data centers with multi-service ISP/ASP-2


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Hi, we're working on 2 new datacenters to provide datavault/DR services to clients in three service tiers: cold, worm and hot. This will also be a traditional service provider DC with internet and hosting services. DC1 will be 2-3K Sqm. DC2 will be very small running as backup. there is a plan for 2 more DCs similar to DC1. initial equip providers include core networking from HP Procurve, WAN from Juniper/cisco, Power/cooling from emerson-liebert/APC, secutiy/fire from tyco/others. Computer room initial design based on blades and iSCSI SAN from Intel for core/client services. will also include HP/intel/IBM servers for unix/linux and sun for other client requirements on need basis as well as AS400. We intended Intel Blades with Intel MJ2 GRID iSCSI SAN. Please note we will try to virtualize as much as possible w/o complexity. Not sure if this SAN/initial architecture will do the job, a) need to consider interconnection including fiber, b) supporting all user environments as mentioned c) scalability (expect 200TB in first 2-3 years d) online and offline geo sync/async replication, e)tape storage as well. f)strong single NOC Management but roles reversible between data centers.
I know there is know easy way to say this, but if you can give sort of a shopping list of software/hardware needed and proposed budget. datacenter is on 6500sqft with 50% for computer room. we need to be cost effective, integrated and well managed to the second. we aim for five 9s. thanks in advance.

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Last Answered: Jan 14 2007  5:33 PM GMT  by carrollthomas




this is a very big question and there are a lot of considerations to take into consideration, have you considered an outsourced managed service or consultancy, there is no way anyone can respond to this with accurate information unless presented with all the facts. I am currently mid way through the process of building 2 new data centres myself and there are a lot of facts to take account of eg.. environmental, local legislation, financial, personal, business needs.. the list goes on. I work for a leading Oil and Gas company so I know what timescales and business pressures are all about, what more information can you provide..
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owenmpk  |   Jan 15 2007  10:31AM GMT

Ditto on the prior response, and I would like to add. DO NOT BUILD IN A FLOOD ZONE or an area protected by levies! I am Geologist turn computer professional and I have been amazed at the number of primary and backup data centers that are built in flood zones or areas protected by levies.

 

ChasTheDataGuy  |   Jan 15 2007  11:17AM GMT

I would have to agree with carrollthomas. If this is your first
attempt at building a datacenter as a service to offer it would
be in your and your investors best interest to find help from
thouse that speciliaze in this.

Given enough time I’m sure you would receive a handfull of
usfull tips here but nothing even close to what you should have.

Regards,
Charles E. Deaton
<a href="http://www.SQLSIG.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.SQLSIG.org</a>

 

splithare  |   Jan 15 2007  11:51AM GMT

I am wondering if this is a new business or if you have existing clients. I agree with the other replies that state you need to get expert advice involved with your efforts. Seeking answers to your questions in this forum is outside the scope of what is intended at the ITKnowledge Exchange. I have no prior experience in building data centers of this size but I have worked for Intel where the datacenters were gigantic.

Good luck in your efforts to find the answers you are looking for.

 

casatech  |   Jan 15 2007  1:26PM GMT

I would agree with the previous respondents, and would add if you have considered looking to pick up some co-lo space from current providers. This would enable you to focus on your infrastructure while leveraging some-elses datacenter, and base on the space that you are looking to build you should be able to drive a good price and get you to market faster. If you are looking for budget numbers, I worked for a datacenter company and we used about $700-800 per sqft as the average when we were building ours, it all depends on the location ( major market, mid market, etc, access to connectivity, etc ) but it could be a starting point..

 

HubetKowalski  |   Jan 16 2007  6:52AM GMT

Hey Kellyb,

listen from hardware - power / cooling / management, get in touch with closest APC representative and then try the ISX Design Portal - <a href="http://configurator.apcc.com/products/powerstruxure/configurator/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://configurator.apcc.com/products/powerstruxure/configurator/index.cfm</a>
or web - <a href="http://www.apcc.com/products/infrastruxure/index.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.apcc.com/products/infrastruxure/index.cfm</a>

I am representing consulting agency, and can say that those guys deliver good quality products and services.

rgds,

Hubert.

 

ArchiveIT  |   Jan 16 2007  7:46AM GMT

Have you considered 1.Data Privacy, 2. Retention and Discovery of long term compliant data, Managing data growth w/10-25:1compressed archive to repurpose disk space, for any structured DB, 3. Application retirement and easy data SQL access w/o loss of data or relational integrity using or DB license, 4. Test data management subsetting’ptroduction, masking sensitive fields, compareing DB pre and pst masked changes reducing test verification 60:1, isolate accesss to production data from development, testing, QA, training, etc. 5. Accelerating Upgrades and migrations by only involving data that is used frequently and still reatin transparent SQL access to infrequently used data stored in compressed format w/o regard to DB version or archived data model. If any of these address an current or an upcomming need, please respond. Thx.

 

RonKoontz  |   Jan 16 2007  8:32AM GMT

Wow. Big request for this IT Knowledge exchange. THere are so many variables to consider here. I think your best bet is to find some cosulting company in the area to help you decide what you need. If you need some WHMS software or chage control software I can hook you up.

Thanks

 

astronomer  |   Jan 17 2007  12:48PM GMT

I agree this problem is asking for consultants. If intel hasn’t scrapped all of their solution centers, you might want to check with them. I was involved with one of them several years ago and this sort of problem fits their charter well.
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