Need assistance in tape backup systems

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This is my first foray into tape backup. I'm researching a tape backup system for a health center and I'd like know if anyone has had experience with Dell (I'm looking at the 132T tape library) or Quantum (m1500). If you have had positive experience with another brand, I would be happy to hear about it. I don't have a tremendous amount of data to backup, <1 TB and a 10 hour backup window. But my budget is very limited (I'm sure none of you have this problem). I've been allocated $17000 for hardware and software. Here's my scenario: (win2k) 3 SQL servers 1 exchange 2003 server (win2003) 2 terminal servers 3 DC 3 app servers Initial backup would be approx. 900GB daily backup would be approx. 200GB A copy of the backup would be stored offsite. Any advice, personal experience would be appreciated. Emin Parsu HJACenter
ASKED: March 22, 2005  8:06 AM
UPDATED: March 23, 2005  6:23 AM

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I work in a hospital myself and am in charge of nightly backups for a particular department. The backup software that we use is Hewlett-Packard Data Protector 5.1. The base system is capable of working with a variety of tape libraries and should be able to handle your terminal, DC, and app servers with little difficulty. There are separate modules which can be purchased to handle the SQL and Exchange servers. Included with the program is the ability to copy from tape to tape which would facilitate your offsite backup. Hope that helps.

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  • GeorgeBonner
    Don't look at tape - total waste of time and money in todays environment. Hard disk is cheaper and faster. You can build a raid5 based 1Tb, backup box with 1Gb network for less than $4000. With that as a basic unit you can backup everything more quickly. Your restore times become exponentially quicker for individual files and if you really want you can design a replacement server for instantaneous (within 10 minutes) recovery from last good backup. Why anybody wants to use tape as a medium I don't know.
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  • Dreadstar1
    Emin, I have had very good luck with the Quantum Products...I have 2 of the M1500 and 1 M2500, each loaded with LTO-2 drives. They are a reliable tape system and tape gives you the option of portability, something a disk based system doesn't offer. We also have Veritas NetBackup. In your situation, however, BackupExec should fit the bill. While disk based systems offer tremendous speeds in backups and restores, this doesn't seem to be your issue, while budget and reliability are. Regards, Mike
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  • Jaysea
    We recently purchased the Dell PowerVault 122T LTO2 with Backup Exec 9.1 and have had no problems. Really been very happy.
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  • GeorgeBonner
    Quoted by Emin "While disk based systems offer tremendous speeds in backups and restores, this doesn't seem to be your issue, while budget and reliability are." I don't believe anyone could argue that tape is more reliable than hard disk. Budget could be argued, but we have been quoted $17000.
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  • GeorgeBonner
    Sorry, my last post quoted Emin and not Dreadstar1 On the budget issue, the lowest cost for an m1500 tape library I can find is $11000 see link below. http://www.smarter.com/prodlist.php?bn=0&cate=90&sortby=&MfID=43&MinP=&MaxP=&se=&x=49&y=17 This does not include any media.
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  • Unbeliever
    I've been given a quote of approx. $14500 for quantum m1500 with 20 tapes. Dell is $3000 less, but I'm unsure of their dependability and/or support regarding storage. I've worked with their helpdesk before, concerning servers and workstations, and they don't exactly inspire me with confidence. I'm avoiding disk-based storage as I need to have copies offsite, I have large (currently) backup window, quick access to backups (disk opposed to tape speed) is not a necessity, and tape backup meets or exceeds all my requirements. Thank you all for your response. Emin HJACenter
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  • PLSmith65
    I have used many tape drives over the years, mostly HP Surestore DLTs. We also have a Dell PowerVault T120 which has proven to be very reliable. Quantum also makes very good drives that most other vendors use in their auto-loaders and tape libraries, including HP, Dell & StorageTek. Stick with a reliable vendor, good warranty support, and something that falls in your budget and you'll be ok. A lot of the hardware is really the same parts with just a different OEM logo on the outside. The software you use will be the trickier part. Again, stick with the bigger named, reliable vendors and you'll be fine.
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  • Dcsys99
    Take a look at the autoloaders from ADIC as well. I have experience with everything up the the i2000 - great products. Most of the Dell stuff is actually private-labelled from ADIC. If you have gold or platinum support from Dell, you get more bang for the buck. ADICs support is also very good. Take a look at the Scalar 24 (10279.00 at CDW) http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=471439 BackupExec is a very solid product. Windows NTBackup is actually a stripped-down version of backupexec. You should be able to get everything you need for around 1000.00. That leaves you with 5000.00 for tapes - which is a lot, but make sure you get enough for rotation to an off-site facility and to last you at least fiscal year. Plan for 50% data growth (trust ,me...). They will need to be rotated out of service after so many uses as well. You should be able to negotiate better than published pricing with CDW for that much stuff. Disk- based backups may get you in trouble with the SARB-OX. You will need a method for off-site storage. Disk replication gets VERY expensive. I work in disaster recovery. Don't take shortcuts. Don't go too "cheap". I have seen every version of tape and tape drive. For your situation, LTO or SDLT is the way to go. AIT is also good, but it is Sony, so you pay more. Good luck. Dave
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