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		<title>By: astronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>astronomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin;
I have a similar issue as we restructure one of our campuses. In a modern network the limit is mainly determined by broadcast traffic and this is highly dependent on the operating systems used. I put the question to HP procurve support and cisco, &quot;How many nodes should I limit each subnet to?&quot;

Cisco didn&#039;t respond but HP told me a modern switched net like ours, (1 Gig backbone, 100 Mbit to clients, windows 2000 and XP), shouldn&#039;t have more than 300 nodes on a specific subnet. On our main campus our /22 nets are suffering from excessive broadcasts. Your planned /23 net is half as big as the ones I am trying to get rid of.
 
Given this response, I will be limiting each subnet to class C. I suggest you follow a similar model and use two class C subnets connected by a router or layer 3 switch. You can avoid VLANs if you wish by partitioning physically with each switch on a specific subnet. This a more complex design than you have contemplated but it will allow cleaner growth. If you do pull the mask out to supernet two class C nets together, keep a watch on your broadcast traffic. As other responses suggested, there is no reason you need to switch to the 172.16 range with modern operating systems.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin;<br />
I have a similar issue as we restructure one of our campuses. In a modern network the limit is mainly determined by broadcast traffic and this is highly dependent on the operating systems used. I put the question to HP procurve support and cisco, &#8220;How many nodes should I limit each subnet to?&#8221;</p>
<p>Cisco didn&#8217;t respond but HP told me a modern switched net like ours, (1 Gig backbone, 100 Mbit to clients, windows 2000 and XP), shouldn&#8217;t have more than 300 nodes on a specific subnet. On our main campus our /22 nets are suffering from excessive broadcasts. Your planned /23 net is half as big as the ones I am trying to get rid of.</p>
<p>Given this response, I will be limiting each subnet to class C. I suggest you follow a similar model and use two class C subnets connected by a router or layer 3 switch. You can avoid VLANs if you wish by partitioning physically with each switch on a specific subnet. This a more complex design than you have contemplated but it will allow cleaner growth. If you do pull the mask out to supernet two class C nets together, keep a watch on your broadcast traffic. As other responses suggested, there is no reason you need to switch to the 172.16 range with modern operating systems.<br />
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		<title>By: kevins74</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don,

Thanks for the response.  With that said, do you think I would really see that much of an impact with using the 172.16.30.0 subnet with a 255.255.254.0 mask.  I do not plan on this getting any bigger at least with this office and I can&#039;t even see it using much of the extra range.  All my switches are 3560&#039;s and I am fine with keeping the subnets small, it is just not at this moment in time (a lot going on) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.  With that said, do you think I would really see that much of an impact with using the 172.16.30.0 subnet with a 255.255.254.0 mask.  I do not plan on this getting any bigger at least with this office and I can&#8217;t even see it using much of the extra range.  All my switches are 3560&#8242;s and I am fine with keeping the subnets small, it is just not at this moment in time (a lot going on) </p>
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