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		<title>By: bigbluearc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigbluearc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many medium/large enterprise environments are today consolidated into BladeCenter&#039;s and/or larger multi-cpu servers, where both types are targeted to run virtualization software as well.

So what is the driving force for this ?

1. Savings in power, cooling and physical space in
   datacenters, fourteen 1U/pizzaboxes has approx. 50%
   higher power consumption and need for cooling than 14
   Blade&#039;s in a BladeCenter and additionally takes double
   the space of a BladeCenter enclosure, and that&#039;s a fair
   amount of money in a year, especially if you today is
   in a spot where the datacenter has to be expanded in
   one way or another.

   However there are some drawbacks, which means that if
   you utilize the BladeCenters higher density and smaller
   &quot;footprint&quot; in the datacenter you may be forced to
   redesign the airflow and power cabling to handle the
   more dense environment.

2. Cost savings in hardware and installation, since Blade&#039;s
   in a BladeCenter shares common hardware you often find
   that you will reach a break even in hardware costs
   already with only 3-5 Blade&#039;s in the BladeCenter
   compared with traditional rackoptimized server boxes.

3. Cost savings in expansion, expanding the BladeCenter
   with an additional Blade at some later point, is
   definately more easy and cheaper than adding a serverbox
   in a rack, all cabling and other infrastructure is
   already there, only insert the new Blade and &quot;clone&quot; one
   of your existing Blade&#039;s and you&#039;re up and running.
   So even if a Blade is somewhat more expensive in
   purchase it will alltogether be cheaper in the end.

4. Cost savings in management, BladeCenter&#039;s form a very
   homogeneous environment managed with common tools,
   however there are some drawbacks in this area since
   a BladeCenter normally (in larger enterprises) involves
   several competencies (server, storage, network..) which
   all are used to use their own selected tools to manage
   their part of the enterprise and this can evolve to be
   a problem if not approached correctly when introducing
   BladeCenter&#039;s in the organisation.

5. And why not run virtual server solutions on the
   BladeCenter as well, even with a rather low
   consolidation ratio f.ex. 3-4 servers/Blade this will
   be a nearly ideal environment for all the functionality
   the virtual server solution provides you with.
   But as someone already pointed out, not all applications
   are candidates to be hosted in a virtual environment.

6. Redundancy, BladeCenter&#039;s is constructed with redundancy
   in mind, however it could be a good idea to have a
   second BladeCenter enclosure with Blade&#039;s clustered
   between the two enclosures, but again that depends on
   SLA&#039;s and other strategies that you might have in
   your company.

Some last comments:

- Since Blade mounted options as f.ex. local disks
  not can be &quot;hot-swap&quot; (without loosing significant space
  in the BladeCenter), you should really consider to run
  somekind of virtualization or cluster software in (or
  between) your BladeCenter(s), if not the application
  already is redundant in some other way.

- As you probably already is aware of there is a struggle
  between different vendors on the market where I should
  recommend selecting a vendor that supports the
  &quot;BladeCenter Alliance&quot; which to my opinion aims to create
  an open standard and where you should expect to be able
  to use a wide variety (at least theoretically) of parts
  from different suppliers in the selected BladeCenter.
  Selecting an vendor that supports open standards will
  probably lower your cost in the long run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many medium/large enterprise environments are today consolidated into BladeCenter&#8217;s and/or larger multi-cpu servers, where both types are targeted to run virtualization software as well.</p>
<p>So what is the driving force for this ?</p>
<p>1. Savings in power, cooling and physical space in<br />
   datacenters, fourteen 1U/pizzaboxes has approx. 50%<br />
   higher power consumption and need for cooling than 14<br />
   Blade&#8217;s in a BladeCenter and additionally takes double<br />
   the space of a BladeCenter enclosure, and that&#8217;s a fair<br />
   amount of money in a year, especially if you today is<br />
   in a spot where the datacenter has to be expanded in<br />
   one way or another.</p>
<p>   However there are some drawbacks, which means that if<br />
   you utilize the BladeCenters higher density and smaller<br />
   &#8220;footprint&#8221; in the datacenter you may be forced to<br />
   redesign the airflow and power cabling to handle the<br />
   more dense environment.</p>
<p>2. Cost savings in hardware and installation, since Blade&#8217;s<br />
   in a BladeCenter shares common hardware you often find<br />
   that you will reach a break even in hardware costs<br />
   already with only 3-5 Blade&#8217;s in the BladeCenter<br />
   compared with traditional rackoptimized server boxes.</p>
<p>3. Cost savings in expansion, expanding the BladeCenter<br />
   with an additional Blade at some later point, is<br />
   definately more easy and cheaper than adding a serverbox<br />
   in a rack, all cabling and other infrastructure is<br />
   already there, only insert the new Blade and &#8220;clone&#8221; one<br />
   of your existing Blade&#8217;s and you&#8217;re up and running.<br />
   So even if a Blade is somewhat more expensive in<br />
   purchase it will alltogether be cheaper in the end.</p>
<p>4. Cost savings in management, BladeCenter&#8217;s form a very<br />
   homogeneous environment managed with common tools,<br />
   however there are some drawbacks in this area since<br />
   a BladeCenter normally (in larger enterprises) involves<br />
   several competencies (server, storage, network..) which<br />
   all are used to use their own selected tools to manage<br />
   their part of the enterprise and this can evolve to be<br />
   a problem if not approached correctly when introducing<br />
   BladeCenter&#8217;s in the organisation.</p>
<p>5. And why not run virtual server solutions on the<br />
   BladeCenter as well, even with a rather low<br />
   consolidation ratio f.ex. 3-4 servers/Blade this will<br />
   be a nearly ideal environment for all the functionality<br />
   the virtual server solution provides you with.<br />
   But as someone already pointed out, not all applications<br />
   are candidates to be hosted in a virtual environment.</p>
<p>6. Redundancy, BladeCenter&#8217;s is constructed with redundancy<br />
   in mind, however it could be a good idea to have a<br />
   second BladeCenter enclosure with Blade&#8217;s clustered<br />
   between the two enclosures, but again that depends on<br />
   SLA&#8217;s and other strategies that you might have in<br />
   your company.</p>
<p>Some last comments:</p>
<p>- Since Blade mounted options as f.ex. local disks<br />
  not can be &#8220;hot-swap&#8221; (without loosing significant space<br />
  in the BladeCenter), you should really consider to run<br />
  somekind of virtualization or cluster software in (or<br />
  between) your BladeCenter(s), if not the application<br />
  already is redundant in some other way.</p>
<p>- As you probably already is aware of there is a struggle<br />
  between different vendors on the market where I should<br />
  recommend selecting a vendor that supports the<br />
  &#8220;BladeCenter Alliance&#8221; which to my opinion aims to create<br />
  an open standard and where you should expect to be able<br />
  to use a wide variety (at least theoretically) of parts<br />
  from different suppliers in the selected BladeCenter.<br />
  Selecting an vendor that supports open standards will<br />
  probably lower your cost in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: jayjay01</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/hidden-costs-of-blade-server-deployment/#comment-48079</link>
		<dc:creator>jayjay01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reconsider again getting blade, not worth. Though, it can support 14 servers but getting one internal server will cost a bomb. If anything goes wrong all servers are useless. Secondly option for upgrade is limited, technology change periodically. Better to get an 1U server...this is my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reconsider again getting blade, not worth. Though, it can support 14 servers but getting one internal server will cost a bomb. If anything goes wrong all servers are useless. Secondly option for upgrade is limited, technology change periodically. Better to get an 1U server&#8230;this is my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: taney2000</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/hidden-costs-of-blade-server-deployment/#comment-48080</link>
		<dc:creator>taney2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have deployed HP blades. We have a Full blown datacenter that was designed for an IBM mainframe, so cooling is not a factor for us, but they do put out a lot of heat. The second item is power. To run what we run, which is 5 enclosures that are fully redundant we had to use 2 PDUs. That meant we needed 4 - 30A - 3phase curcuits for the enclosures. I beleive that IBM is pretty much the same way. 

The other thing is the network connections. We are a Cisco shop so we looked at the Cisco switch modules, but it came out to over $600 a port where we pay about $90 on the Cisco switchs. So I would check for cost for port and make sure you have the density to support it.  

Other than that they have been execlent performers. We have SQL, Citrix and standard tope servers on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have deployed HP blades. We have a Full blown datacenter that was designed for an IBM mainframe, so cooling is not a factor for us, but they do put out a lot of heat. The second item is power. To run what we run, which is 5 enclosures that are fully redundant we had to use 2 PDUs. That meant we needed 4 &#8211; 30A &#8211; 3phase curcuits for the enclosures. I beleive that IBM is pretty much the same way. </p>
<p>The other thing is the network connections. We are a Cisco shop so we looked at the Cisco switch modules, but it came out to over $600 a port where we pay about $90 on the Cisco switchs. So I would check for cost for port and make sure you have the density to support it.  </p>
<p>Other than that they have been execlent performers. We have SQL, Citrix and standard tope servers on them.</p>
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		<title>By: cordth</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/hidden-costs-of-blade-server-deployment/#comment-48081</link>
		<dc:creator>cordth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VMWare has a commercial product that can be deployed across multiple servers.  In addition a SAN SCSI or fiber connection would be needed.  I&#039;ve seen 12 servers on 2 VMWare boxes.  I think it is the ESX product.  It&#039;s expensive, but for consolidation across say.... 3-4 servers with SAN connection for 16-24+ standalone servers it will work.  I wouldn&#039;t recommend any Citrix servers to be part of it.  In addition, VMWare recommends at least 2 GB of RAM per processor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VMWare has a commercial product that can be deployed across multiple servers.  In addition a SAN SCSI or fiber connection would be needed.  I&#8217;ve seen 12 servers on 2 VMWare boxes.  I think it is the ESX product.  It&#8217;s expensive, but for consolidation across say&#8230;. 3-4 servers with SAN connection for 16-24+ standalone servers it will work.  I wouldn&#8217;t recommend any Citrix servers to be part of it.  In addition, VMWare recommends at least 2 GB of RAM per processor.</p>
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		<title>By: byimw02</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itanswers/hidden-costs-of-blade-server-deployment/#comment-48082</link>
		<dc:creator>byimw02</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the goal is consolidation, have you considered the iSeries and logical partitions ?   IBM is aggressively positioning iSeries as a consolidation solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the goal is consolidation, have you considered the iSeries and logical partitions ?   IBM is aggressively positioning iSeries as a consolidation solution.</p>
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