Change management system for as/400

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My client has two as/400 servers( one is for production and one is for development),he is asking me to suggest 'Change management system for as/400 server. I found these are:

TURNOVER ALDON IMPLEMENTER SEE/Change MDCMS PDE/400

i m more confused which is best in lesser cost with higher performance. Please suggest me or mail me any document that will help me in this regard.

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I’ve worked for years with both Aldon and Turnover.
Both are great and fairly easy to learn.

Sorry but it’s been many years since I had to price out these products so I have no idea how they stack up. I know that Softlanding was purchased in the past 2 years.

<a href=”A href=”http://www.aldon.com/prod/adm/ov”>Aldon</a>

<a href=”http://www.softlanding.com/Products/TurnOver-iSeries.aspx”>Turnover</a>

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  • CharlieBrowne
    I had put out the same question about a year ago. With that input and my evaluation, I went with MKS. You can send an email to Kevin Grellette [Kevin.Grellette@mks.com] to get more information
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  • Kapiltiwari
    Yes Charlie .. i read ur question as well, Plz share me ur experience with MKS (Implementer ). U can tell me better pros and cons of MSK . MSK sales team guys will only admire their product . If u made any comparison chart of all , plz share. and finally , shud i go for MKS? .... kapil
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  • Rudedog
    i would not use any of the products here. i find the best way is to: 1) create a partition where the production code is going to be stored. a) Only specific profiles have access to this 2) have a program that moves code from production to test environment a) only allow all programmers to move from production to development b) only specific profiles are allowed to move from test to production i) using FTP move between environments 3) to put in production, specific profiles that can access the production partition can sign on and run the compile/create commands. it sounds simple, but it's easy and there are no maintenance dollars going out the door (or in the mail) to another vendor. having said that, i liked TurnOver when i was at another client. -sarge
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  • MurrayInfoSys
    I have used TURNOVER for many years. I have it on one of my iSeries because my Customer requires it. Turnover works well when properly configured. It is a pain when it is not. (What else would you expect!) Support is good IMHO. I have used Aldon many years ago (MANY!) and and did not like it nor did my Customer. I would assume that they have changed their ways or would be out of business by now. Most companies will let you test the application for a limited time. Make sure you have your duck in a row for testing - time is limited.
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  • TomLiotta
    I use TurnOver in one environment, and Aldon in a second environment. At my previous employer's site, I used Implementer. I don't see a good way to say that any one is better or worse. There are two many features in all of them, and each tends to have slightly different emphasis on different elements. Because of that, "best" can only be meaningful as "best for YOUR company". For a significant production environment that uses even minimal 'modern' system features such as ILE modules, activation groups, IFS objects, etc., I can't imagine the hidden problems that might be buried inside of a home-grown Change Management system. Features such as consistent compile-time options over the life of an application are too important, especially in any regulated organization. Regardless of choice, it is important that training is scheduled. Make sure that at least two groups of people get training -- developers and administrators. Have a couple administrators chosen before training is done. These all tend to be complex products. Having someone familiar with managing the product itself will go a long way towards success. Tom
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  • Kapiltiwari
    Thanks all of u for sharing information.
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  • CharlieBrowne
    I also have used Turnover. I beleive it has been around the longest and is the most widely used of all the products. It has many features. We need not need all the capability so that is why we when with MKS, the ROI was much better, MKS was also much eaiser to setup the initial install.
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  • Kapiltiwari
    Hi all, My client is expecting of me to prepare a comparison doc atleast including Turnover , aldon ,Implementer based on their additional features respectively. My analysis . Cost wise Turnover > Aldon > Implementer > PDE/400 Turnover is having what additional features as its cost is highest . so with Aldon and implementer... Any one can help me in this regard...
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  • MurrayInfoSys
    OK, Here is a verbose answer: You have 3 groups of people who will interact with the software: 1) Managers – who will ask you to get a report of XYZ. OK – they will not use it, but ask you to retrieve specific information from the application. (ex. What project or program modifications were put into production? Then he will run to HIS boss and say “Here’s what we did this month.”) 2) Administrators – (NOT DB ADMINISTRATORS! Application administrators.) These people will add/delete users; make changes to the appl. as the need arises. (ex. I want to compile Logical files with IPLIDX(*AFTIPL) as a default.) 3) Users – (the grunts = programmers) These people will have the most benefit from this application. This application SHOULD make their life easier. It should automate it. Now, sit down with your boss and have him decide who should be in each group. Then have him send out an email for the meeting announcement to each group. Notice I said HIM – not you. I do not care if you composed the email. When your boss sends the email for the meeting notice, the recipients will think that the boss has devoted time to this project; therefore, it must be important. It is also important that you meet with each group independently. To meet together for the first time will be a mess. Each group has a specific agenda, and most likely will not understand the others technical or non-technical needs. Before each group meeting you should get a list of: “I desire this” from each member. Summarize it and publish it a couple of days before the meeting. This lets the group know what is coming up – no surprises. Please note: your boss must attend the full group meeting. During the group meeting, have the users vote on each suggestion with a value of: 1) Must have = 10 2) I would like = 7 3) Indifferent = 4 4) I do not want = 1 This is the base for a weighted average. Stuff this into a spreadsheet and presto, you have the users requirements based on their voting - NOT YOURS! IMPORANT! The users can vote openly or blind (anonymous). I find that a white board with a pro/con layout the best. Now do this with all 3 groups in one meeting. You are correct; it is not as easy as it sounds. Technical differences will be the biggest problem. Do the voting thing with Pro/Con relation. PS: Was your Boss in the meetings? IMPORTANT!
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  • Kapiltiwari
    Thanks a lot......
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  • Siddu
    Hi Bret, Your cost effective method is really thought provoking. Can you please provide me with some more details? Any online resource where i can go and study more into your method? Regards, Sid
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