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		<title>By: Craig Welch</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/iseries/does-system-i-need-power6-right-away/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark,

We&#039;re working on coming up with a plan to get to Power 6 when it becomes available. We have now purchased the SAP Netweaver ERP Suite and the thirst for resources seems almost unquenchable. Java/portals will be rolling out along with additional SAP components for the next 6-10 months. 

I have been running SAP on System i for the last 7 years and on Sun Solaris(UNIX) for 6 years before that (different company). The ability to run 2000 named SAP users (Global) on 2-tier on system i has proven to be quite  beneficial from a systems management standpoint. The turning point for performance (starting on a 740 w/200 users, then an 840 with another 3-400) was when we went to an 870. As nice as the 870 was, we still had what we call outlyer transactions (temporary slow downs). Since going to the Power 5, then the power 5+ we have had our performance related help desk calls basically stop. 

We also are running SAP Business Warehouse (1.5 TB) on a 550 (P5+). I expect a tremendous performance boost there if I can get it to fit into an LPAR on a Power6 570 or if IBM comes out with a Power 6 550 model.

Craig]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>We&#8217;re working on coming up with a plan to get to Power 6 when it becomes available. We have now purchased the SAP Netweaver ERP Suite and the thirst for resources seems almost unquenchable. Java/portals will be rolling out along with additional SAP components for the next 6-10 months. </p>
<p>I have been running SAP on System i for the last 7 years and on Sun Solaris(UNIX) for 6 years before that (different company). The ability to run 2000 named SAP users (Global) on 2-tier on system i has proven to be quite  beneficial from a systems management standpoint. The turning point for performance (starting on a 740 w/200 users, then an 840 with another 3-400) was when we went to an 870. As nice as the 870 was, we still had what we call outlyer transactions (temporary slow downs). Since going to the Power 5, then the power 5+ we have had our performance related help desk calls basically stop. </p>
<p>We also are running SAP Business Warehouse (1.5 TB) on a 550 (P5+). I expect a tremendous performance boost there if I can get it to fit into an LPAR on a Power6 570 or if IBM comes out with a Power 6 550 model.</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Fontecchio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Fontecchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, that&#039;s a really interesting story. Are you planning on upgrading to the P6 System i when it comes out next year? I&#039;d be interested in staying in touch for when it does.

Michael, you&#039;re right that System p has CoD as well. I think the point of the original article was that most System i folks in general (there are definitely exceptions like Craig running SAP on i) can get by with CoD, while more System p folks just need a faster engine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, that&#8217;s a really interesting story. Are you planning on upgrading to the P6 System i when it comes out next year? I&#8217;d be interested in staying in touch for when it does.</p>
<p>Michael, you&#8217;re right that System p has CoD as well. I think the point of the original article was that most System i folks in general (there are definitely exceptions like Craig running SAP on i) can get by with CoD, while more System p folks just need a faster engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We may be unique but we run SAP on System i. In our direct marketing world, customer service wants the best response time available. I have a different yardstick for measuring what we need. Total CPW is still important so we don&#039;t overload, but perhaps even more important is CPW per Processor. We currently have a 3 terabyte database and we run our 570 12-way pretty hard. While we could benefit from adding another processor, past history has shown that a faster processor has a much higher payback. Granted, it&#039;s only as good as the supporting disk i/o and memory, but we saw a very significant improvement just going from the power 5 to the power 5+. 

Another reason it&#039;s important is the delta cost of going from a 570 to a 595. There is a pretty significant price bump to upgrade models, so if speeding up the processor can help us stay within the mid priced model, it&#039;s a big $$ benefit. Not a money maker for IBM to avoid that jump but good for us. 

Companies running SAP on system i are not as common as I&#039;d like, but with the constant improvements in server performance and better price points, I still have hope that it will take off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may be unique but we run SAP on System i. In our direct marketing world, customer service wants the best response time available. I have a different yardstick for measuring what we need. Total CPW is still important so we don&#8217;t overload, but perhaps even more important is CPW per Processor. We currently have a 3 terabyte database and we run our 570 12-way pretty hard. While we could benefit from adding another processor, past history has shown that a faster processor has a much higher payback. Granted, it&#8217;s only as good as the supporting disk i/o and memory, but we saw a very significant improvement just going from the power 5 to the power 5+. </p>
<p>Another reason it&#8217;s important is the delta cost of going from a 570 to a 595. There is a pretty significant price bump to upgrade models, so if speeding up the processor can help us stay within the mid priced model, it&#8217;s a big $$ benefit. Not a money maker for IBM to avoid that jump but good for us. </p>
<p>Companies running SAP on system i are not as common as I&#8217;d like, but with the constant improvements in server performance and better price points, I still have hope that it will take off.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ruth</title>
		<link>http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/iseries/does-system-i-need-power6-right-away/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 13:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In this article you mention that I series doesn&#039;t need Power6 because of COD. I thought the P series had that as well?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this article you mention that I series doesn&#8217;t need Power6 because of COD. I thought the P series had that as well?</p>
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