Eye on Oracle

Dec 3 2007   12:10AM GMT

Oracle vs. Google

Ken Cline Profile: Clinek

Is Oracle cool again?

That’s the question that Oracle Apps insider David Haimes asks in a personal account of his ten years at the company. He brings up an interesting point that I’ve been pondering as well:

“Oracle is gobbling up competitors and that is all anybody talks about when you mention you work for Oracle; nothing about our products or new technologies, it’s just who we bought or who we will buy next. . . . [but] this year at Open World people were talking about cool things we are doing again, some of the highlights are Oracle Mix, Oracle Wiki, the No Slide Zone, The Unconference. It feels like we’re trying new things and pushing the boundaries taking some risks.”

Do you agree that Oracle is becoming an “innovative” company again? Can Oracle compare to a company with a risk-taking, cutting-edge reputation such as Google? One look at the labs.google.com page shows a lot of new ideas, albeit most are consumer-level widgets and not mission critical business applications (so far!).

If so, what do you think is the most innovative product/feature Oracle has launched in the last few years? It’s probably not VM, which is just “yet another Xen” product. And Oracle was quite late jumping on the Web 2.0 bandwagon.

Let me know what you think!

Have a good week,
Tim

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  • Clinek
    without a doubt: APEX
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  • Clinek
    Is Google risk taking and cutting edge? When it comes to the main revenue generation activity it is an advertising company and I seem to recall some acquisition activity there too.
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  • Clinek
    Oracle remains innovative at it's core technologies. This part is extremely well under control for now and in the immediate future (2 years). Innovation on the application-side (by industry) is another facet inherent to the business-environment the technology platforms are being used. New programs needs to prove that the Business Processes required today can quickly bypass the various technology stages of recent acquisitions made, in order to become innovative from a core technology perspective.
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  • Clinek
    Oracle Vs Google is an interesting lineup. Oracle is very enterprise focused vendor where as Google is very consumer focused vendor. As every vendor is working on reaching beyond their forte, the lines are blurring. At this point it is very primitive to say if there is any oracle vs google is even on...
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  • Clinek
    I don't see much innovation in Oracle's offerings. I do see complexity, cost & bugs. If Oracle were innovative they'd to the following: 1.) Improve software quality by an order of magnitude. Sigma what? 2.) Automate patching (11g will fall short again). 3.) Reduce complexity. People don't care about all the functionality. 4.) Change licensing to the socket for EE to match Microsoft.
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  • Clinek
    Prsonally I feel that all the Google Apps are nothing but hype and the widget and the customer level widgets displayed in labs.google.com are childish at their best like the Google Desktop search etc when you have windows doing that for you why in the earth would you want to install that. With the advent of affordable GPS Google Earth and Maps seem like legacy , even then Yahoo is prooving to be better.Google will lead the crash vis a vis its stock price
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  • Clinek
    If there is to be a battle between Oracle and Google it will be to win the “hearts and minds” of developers. Right now the battle is going to the Google side because of LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP). Look at all the top Web 2.0 companies (Facebook, Yahoo, Google, YouTube, eBay…) they all rely on LAMP as the foundation. Oracle may have won the enterprise battle, except for SAP, but there is a vase difference between the developers that work with the enterprise (SOA, BPEL..) and the typically under 30 year olds building Web 2.0. Because of its acquisitions, Oracle has more than 26 different code sets that it must maintain (JD Edwards, PeopleSOft, Seibel…) and re-code to fit into the Oracle stack.
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  • Clinek
    Take a look at WebCenter Suite and how Oracle is using this with its human capital management applications to foster employee engagement and productivity. Do a search on: web center suite employee engagement oracle to see a short article on this. That will also lead you to the various components
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  • Clinek
    i think google takes more risk compare to oracle. whether oracle survives or not thats not a question to ask or to dicuss no body have doubt that oracle must survive.but it is also a fact that oracle is late in launching some of its product like Oracle VM. With reference to micrsoft oracle not paying proper attention to its benchmark products oracle forms.Obviously dot net taken up the market so here oracle loss in battle of Vb.net and Jdeveloper!!
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  • Clinek
    Oracle is in the midst of a market consolidation campaign. I find it hard to identify the unique positioning among competition. For me it is still the capabilities and operating efficiency which define the competitive advantage. It might be really hard to improve the broad spectrum of functionality and features to the degree, individual competitors do in their shared markets. It seems to be all about getting bigger - grow or die. Doing that to the risk of losing the real competitive advantages - and missing the real customer needs while replicating most of the functions others already have 2nd and 3rd generations of. Other companies (like Si*mens e.g.) who tried to accomplish that in their industries failed. IMHO there will NEVER be one plattform in any business scenario - so focus on interoperability and open-source (plus open and abundant information) and you can beat any competitor in the field of plattform suppliers. AND - over 90% of all implementations are customer or 3rd party driven anyways - honestly - how many "out-of-the-box" implementations are out there? See why SAP is still successful ... Kind greetings from Germany Sebastian
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  • Clinek
    I think this post is designed to provoke debate argument and maybe controversy by putting two large tech companies (is Google a tech company or an ad agency?) in the title up against each other. Anyway it worked, I put my opinion in my blog this week. http://davidhaimes.wordpress.com/2007/12/08/comparing-google-and-oracle/
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  • Sangram
    A platform would always be more successful than content in a MASS economy... Its a requirement of satisfying the requirements of all the chairs. Looks like Google has a bigger challenges than Oracle. They require a pioneering effort of sorts. Does Google have this bandwidth? Sangram
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  • Clinek
    David (#11), Yes, the title of the post was designed to "catch the eye" -- I plead guilty. However, my point is not that Oracle and Google are equivalent (although Google is more than an "ad agency," as you know), but that it's a company that has a very innovative reputation. I'd love to see Oracle have a labs.oracle.com site that showcases its experiments and risk-taking ideas. I do think Oracle has some innovative and high quality products -- your own Financials product is certainly the latter -- but does it have that "cool" reputation? That was the admittedly minor (and superficial!) point was trying to address. --Tim
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  • Clinek
    Tim Thanks for the reply, I take your point that Google is regarded as cool and risk taking. Maybe a labs.oracle.com is a good idea, maybe you could raise this on what I think is an innovative idea from Oracle the social network connecting employees and customers mix.oracle.com ?
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