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		<title>Hierarchical selling</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Arun Gupta</dc:creator>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: right"><em>This is the third part of the series on improper selling-tactics adopted by vendors while engaging with the CIO. Read the <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-to-accept-a-no/" target="_blank">second part, How to accept a ‘No’</a> and <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/stop-selling/" target="_blank">the first part: Stop Selling</a>. Also read: <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-should-vendors-engage-with-cios/" target="_blank">&#8216;How should vendors engage with CIOs?&#8217;</a></em><br />
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<p style="text-align: left">The number of people who associated with the behaviors I wrote about in &#8216;<a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/stop-selling/" target="_blank">Stop Selling</a>&#8216; brought home the realization that the nemesis is a lot more widespread than I thought. Even more interesting part is the longevity of the issue; a few readers reminisced their younger days ranging from a few years to a few decades when they behaved like that. It would appear that learning on selling IT has not evolved in the last few decades while the roles of the buyers have.</p>
<p>Every encounter in recent times across multiple vendors selling diverse range of products and services demonstrates consistency. In a competitive industry where decisions are not just based on price but also on quality of service or product, the difficulty faced by the decision makers and the CIO is to give a clear and unambiguous decision. Vendors need to learn to accept clear communication and respect the decisions conveyed to them. Eons back, having spent some time in sales, I know it is difficult to accept a loss of sale.</p>
<p>When you have spent a long time in the decision making role, relationships between CIOs and Tech Company CEOs are formed. These are leveraged on both sides in difficult times and also to pitch for a good deal or going beyond the contractual obligations. The alignment of objectives creates win-win situations and builds healthy respect between individuals and companies. Conflict arises when multiple relationships vie for the same business and their attempt to leverage this with the team and the CIO.</p>
<p>In Business-to-business engagements, hierarchical selling is practiced by every company. Engagements start with Account Managers talking to IT teams defining the solution, the discussion progresses to involve layers upward until the CIO and someone senior (VP, SVP, BU Head, CEO) agree and sign off endorsing the deal. Companies that do not get the deal <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/whine-wine-win-a-deal/" target="_blank">make desperate and largely futile attempts</a> to influence the outcome. I am not against this, however, when a company overdoes it not willing to accept the verdict, they get the CIO’s irritation and look like bad losers.</p>
<p>More than 5 years back a company had me talk to their sales team on “What CIOs want” or “<a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/tag/selling-to-the-cio/" target="_blank">Selling to the CIO</a>”. I repeated this discussion with many large and small companies over the years with good results acknowledged by the attendees. Recently I had multiple meetings with leaders from the same company who could not accept that the decision had gone in favor of a competitor. Somewhere along the way with attrition the learning withered away. Or is it pressure of difficult times?</p>
<p>I believe that for things to change collectively we all have to work together; the CIO will have to be consistent in the way they give the message of success or lack of it. Transparency in evaluation, engagement and stating decision making criteria upfront will create a better platform for everyone. Complementing this, the vendors need to not rue over one transaction that did not go their way and work towards bouncing back such that relationships do not feel the strain.</p>
<p>Let me share an anecdote: An Account Manager desirous of his CEO meet the CIO tries to schedule a meeting based on his CEO’s calendar. Attempting to influence the CIO’s Assistant he brushes aside protests on the CIOs unavailability on the proposed time. He pushes her to reschedule other appointments to accommodate his CEO. When that does not work, he calls the CIO to meet the CEO while the CIO is in the general area where the vendor office is located. Even when the CIO declines, he insists and goes ahead. When the CIO does not turn up, he chides the CIO to say he cut a sorry figure with his CEO. No guesses on where this relationship will end up!</p>
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		<title>Why CIOs don&#8217;t like Jalebi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 05:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Arun Gupta</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[CIO]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[effective communication]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[engaging the CIO]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[A vendor may be the leader in the consumer-space. But it must show how its solution meets specific business-needs to succeed in the enterprise segment.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalebi" target="_blank">Jalebi</a> is an Indian sweet (dessert) extremely popular in the northern part of the country though now available internationally in Indian restaurants. It has <a href="https://www.google.co.in/search?q=jalebi&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hs=iW&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;prmd=imvnse&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&amp;source=univ&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=BXiOULDmPIvQrQeJyYHoDw&amp;ved=0CCsQsAQ&amp;biw=1280&amp;bih=672" target="_blank">a complex circular structure</a>; <a href="http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&amp;fr=moz35&amp;va=jalebi" target="_blank">these photos</a> represent <a href="http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=jalebi&amp;qpvt=jalebi&amp;FORM=IGRE" target="_blank">what a Jalebi can look like</a>. In recent times, Jalebi was made famous by a Bollywood actress with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bdRk_oHvwY" target="_blank">the character named Jalebi bai</a>. I have always been fond of Jalebi though in recent times have reduced my indulgence.</p>
<p>The CIO had great expectations when meeting the team from the most popular tablet vendor in the world who were pitching for an innovative solution. The large team comprising tab vendor, sales partner, and solution provider looked brazenly confident and rightly so considering the aspirational value of their product. Rarely were they in situations where they had to discuss the merits and advantages of their device; everyone justified internally why they wanted their solution and they just made truckloads of money.</p>
<p>The internal customers were already sold on the device not the solution despite its shortcomings for the specific business need which required significant internal change. The business head had been aligned to the device (not the solution) and the meeting was expected to be a cakewalk. Despite the iconic nature of the device, the technical team was wary going into the meeting; not many enterprises had deployed on the scale that was envisaged and in challenging environmental conditions.</p>
<p>The meeting started well with a summary of the proposed solution, similar deployment in developed markets though on a smaller scale and how they can change the way business is done. The technical lead started asking a few questions which the vendor team tried to brush aside. He persisted as the support burden would fall upon him and he had to be sure. With amazing clarity of thought he laid down the questions that would determine the fate of the project in the long-term.</p>
<p>The vendor sales head started to justify the value proposition by talking about how the device has gained popularity globally and caught the imagination of the consumer. Their dominant market share is a validation of how well their device works. The number of solutions available on the device outnumbers all other competitors put together. They have been continuously innovating on making a better device. He went on and on, on the merits of the hardware sidestepping the pointed questions.</p>
<p><a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-to-accept-a-no/" target="_blank">The discussion was going nowhere</a> so the CIO intervened and sought specific answers to the specific questions. He clarified that the decision was contingent on the ability of the overall solution including the device to work as expected. If there are no workarounds or ready solutions, then they will have to explore alternatives. The long stories cut no ice; come straight to the point and stop going round in circles. After moments of silence, the meeting proceeded to its logical conclusion quickly.</p>
<p>In the post meeting debrief, many in the room almost in unison associated the past hour spent to <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/negative-selling/" target="_blank">the vendor making Jalebi</a>. He avoided giving straight answers to most questions, instead, preferred to remain vague in his responses. Any love for the vendor by association to the device soon evaporated leaving everyone impatient to get over with the charade. Business does not and cannot accept the nebulous and imprecise when working to solve a determinate problem.</p>
<p>With tolerance levels reducing and options increasing to solve real business problems, vendors have their task cut out for them; the business and the IT teams are working collaboratively to arrive at solutions. The discussion is focused on what matters, the scenario is the same internally too; no more beating around the bush or running around trees. The Jalebi is great to eat not considering the calories it adds; go on a diet, keep it away from the meeting room.</p>
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		<title>How to accept a &#8216;No&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Arun Gupta</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vendors should learn to accept "No" as much as they like to hear good news. Everyone cannot get a favorable deal every time; someone will be deprived of success.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left"><em>This is the second part of the series of articles on the improper selling-tactics adopted by IT vendors while engaging with the CIOs. <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/stop-selling/" target="_blank">Read the first part, &#8216;Stop Selling!&#8217;</a>. Also read: &#8216;<a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-should-vendors-engage-with-cios/" target="_blank">How should vendors engage with CIOs?</a>&#8216;<br />
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<p>The solution expert across the table looked crestfallen; his manager besides him attempted to calm his frayed nerves while the account manager to his right did not know where to look. The CIO had advised them that <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/don%E2%80%99t-turn-my-problem-into-your-solution/" target="_blank">the solution was not relevant</a> to his <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/does-technology-assure-business-agility/" target="_blank">future needs</a> and the discussion was over. Breaking the uncomfortable silence, the manager sought to find a silver lining in the cloud, a sliver of hope that there may be a faint opportunity in the future? Firmly declined the CIO; then things started going out of hand!</p>
<p>The starting point of the meeting was the aspiration of the incumbent <a href="http://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/definition/solution-provider" target="_blank">solution provider</a> to retain the customer who had decided to move to a competing solution. Over the years that the company had been using the solution, the relationship was managed by vendors&#8217; partners with the principle staying hands off. <a href="http://searchbusinessintelligence.techtarget.in/tip/Top-five-BI-data-integration-challenges" target="_blank">Challenges with the implementation</a> and support were largely managed by the partner. As the company started feeling the pinch of a suboptimal deployment and support, they sought alternatives.</p>
<p>The alternative solution was not really an alternative but an industry leader with now a dominant local and global market share. After multiple futile attempts to reach across the teams of the incumbent provider, the CIO gave up and started working with layers of his enterprise to gain their support for a <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/tag/disruptive-technologies/" target="_blank">disruptive transformation</a> and go with the market leading solution. As the news reached the incumbent, their leaders started arriving in droves to rescue the situation; this was one such meeting.</p>
<p>Unwilling to accepting &#8220;No&#8221; to his plea, the expert started challenging the decision, making criteria stating his solution was as good if not better than the competing product which had a higher TCO (Total Cost of Ownership). While the number of customers today may be lower, the new upcoming product would compete head on. All other things being equal, why did the CIO not get this? Why was he insistent on going with the other expensive solution with significantly <a href="http://searchenterprisedesktop.techtarget.com/tip/Why-you-should-take-notice-of-Microsofts-licensing-rules" target="_blank">higher license</a> and implementation costs?</p>
<p>The exasperated CIO raised his voice a notch and stated that <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/get-on-with-it/" target="_blank">ROI and TCO</a> were not the primary factors for the decision; the company had lost faith in the incumbent solution and the vendors&#8217; ability to support the new business requirements. The company needed a better and globally accepted solution. Their solution has not found favor within the industry after so many years and neither has the vendor engaged with the company in a way that induces confidence; so no point continuing the discussion.</p>
<p>Desperation defying logic, the red in the face expert could not face the ignominy and wanted to know what he or his company could do to retain the business. How can he prevent the entry of the competing product and solution? He was now clutching invisible straws. The account manager wished the earth would swallow him, while the boss-man tried to pacify the agitated expert. The amused CIO simply said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t have to answer your questions; this meeting is over&#8221; and walked out of the room.</p>
<p>Selling is an art as much as a science. Peter Drucker postulated: &#8220;A customer never buys what we sell&#8221;. The transaction completes when the need to sell is aligned to a need to buy. In the absence of a balanced equation, the relationship sits on a weak foundation; then the possibility of successful execution is reduced leaving everyone vulnerable. Unfortunately an open dialogue is rarely understood or appreciated today in our target pressures driven by monthly, quarterly, or annual budgets.</p>
<p>I believe that vendors should learn to accept &#8220;No&#8221; as much as they like to hear good news. Every time every one cannot get a favorable deal; someone will be deprived of success. Don&#8217;t push beyond the break point, lest you end up compromising relationships. The CIO too should not be swayed by these tactics, pressure from other CXOs, or end-of-season sale kind of deals. The relationship is based on demand and supply as much as on trust and respect. Any change in the equation will have an impact.</p>
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		<title>Stop selling!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 05:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Arun Gupta</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[CIO]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[How to sell to CIOs]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Economic uncertainties are forcing vendors to sell. But it’s foolish to start selling before customer accepts that your solution meets his business goals.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left"><em>This is the first part of the series of articles on improper selling-tactics adopted by vendors while engaging with the CIO. <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-to-accept-a-no/" target="_blank">Read the next part, How to accept a &#8216;No&#8217;</a>.<em> Also read: &#8216;<a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-should-vendors-engage-with-cios/" target="_blank">How should vendors engage with CIOs?</a>&#8216;</em><br />
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<p>Recently, I had interesting discussions with a couple of “technology experts” separately brought in by their respective companies <a href="http://searchbusinessintelligence.techtarget.in/tip/6-data-warehouse-design-mistakes-to-avoid" target="_blank">to help us design</a> the best possible solutions. There was no correlation between the two opportunities or the technologies that represented the solutions; the behavior of the experts representing very large companies was indistinguishable like they were twins separated in early childhood but grew up to mimic each other in their approach to providing a solution to an opportunity.</p>
<p>After months of “engaging” on various opportunities to create new innovative differentiators for the enterprise with many vendors, <a href="http://searchcio.techtarget.in/news/1367249/Vendor-selection-criteria-for-a-mobile-application-rollout" target="_blank">the narrowed down list</a> comprising the two vendors decided to bring in their technology architects. They needed to hear the expectation from the horse’s mouth and clarify the requirement before proposing the solution. I do not believe the problem or the solution is relevant here but the overall approach, <a href="http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/tip/Hybrid-solutions-When-mixing-methodologies-makes-sense" target="_blank">methodology</a> and intent is the focus; so I will restrict to the human side.</p>
<p>Now when you have a set of experts in the room, the expectation changes; for the benefit of everyone I repeated the proposition and outlined the need and the want. Everyone nodded and the expert asked a few pertinent as well as tangential questions. Addressing them and moving on to the <a href="http://searchsystemschannel.techtarget.com/feature/Design-fundamentals-Best-practicehttp://" target="_blank">framework of solution design</a> the patience level of my team started waning until the experts decided to present the final solution using a set of slides. Very quickly the dam broke and …</p>
<p>The experts knew the subject and how their solution works, its limitations in real life situations. The discussion and clarifications were to validate if the solution would fit in, which is fair. Having said this, the direction the dialogue took was totally different. Instead of working with the team to flesh out the solution, the experts started a sales pitch on why we should choose their solution! Any interruptions were brushed aside with an air of “I know what is best for you and let me tell you why”.</p>
<p>The relationship managers sensed <a href="http://searchcio.techtarget.in/tip/Early-signs-of-poor-business-IT-alignment-BITA" target="_blank">the total disconnect</a> and tried to intervene without success. The experts in overdrive mode bulldozed ahead ignoring body language and voices of protest. It took some effort to close the meeting which was making no sense or headway. Trying some steps in <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/itproject/create-a-damage-control-procedure-for-your-it-dept/" target="_blank">damage control</a>, the account managers separately mentioned that they will revert to the team with options to take the initiative ahead.</p>
<p>With no acceptance or <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/what-enables-business-it-alignment-bita/" target="_blank">alignment </a>of the solution a discussion on the Bill of Material (BoM) is a sheer waste of everyone’s collective time. <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/return-on-investment-or-return-on-intelligence/" target="_blank">The ROI</a> or <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/tag/tco/" target="_blank">TCO</a> matters only when the customer acknowledges that the solution is appropriate for the enterprise. You don’t sell until you know that your solution has acceptance and that it meets requirements and business goals. Was the need to sell so desperate that they risked alienating a reference customer or professional arrogance that consummates such behavior?</p>
<p>In the current economic scenario the pressure to sell is evident on almost <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-should-vendors-engage-with-cios/" target="_blank">every company</a>; that does not condone such tactics and behaviors; their pervasiveness scares me. I believe that vendors need to work with their customers to evolve any solutions and gracefully walk away should there be a stretch to fit their wares. It would be an undesirable situation where their key customer the CIO is not willing to come to the table or shuns these meetings. Maybe it is time to start exploring vendor-IT-business alignment?</p>
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		<title>How should vendors engage with CIOs?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Arun Gupta</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[CIOs endeavor to keep IT vendors at bay, as they seem to be interested only in selling, and nothing else. Also, consider the fact that CIOs would only be listening to pitches and groveling through the week, if IT vendors have their way.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: right">Also read: <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/stop-selling/" target="_blank">Improper Selling Tactics by IT Vendors: Part I</a> and <a href="http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/Oh-I-See/how-to-accept-a-no/" target="_blank">Part II</a></p>
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<p>For IT Vendors, CIOs are a very sought after audience. As a result, they always solicit face contact with the CIO to pitch their wares, hoping to get a foothold in the company. These vary from <a href="http://searchcio.techtarget.in/tip/0,289483,sid205_gci1376972,00.html">license sellers</a> (paper licenses or shrink-wrapped), hardware vendors, consumables, networking, security, applications, custom development, maintenance, testing services, manpower augmentation, staffing services, consulting, strategic alignment, and so on.</p>
<p>If I were to create a comprehensive list (which I will do some day), it would probably run into multiple pages! CIOs endeavor to keep these individuals and companies at bay, as they seem to be interested only in selling, and nothing else. Also, consider the fact that CIOs would only be listening to vendor pitches and groveling through the week, if vendors have their way.</p>
<p>Vendor pitches range from “the cheapest”, “cutting edge”, “better than the other”, and in a few rare cases, “solve business problems”. The majority fail to engage in a dialogue or listen, as if they have the entire routine by rote &#8212; the moment they are in front of the CIO, the <strong>Play</strong> button is activated! Unfortunately, only a handful of vendors understand the realities of your company or industry. The typical vendor repeats stories that may be out of context (based on experiences with companies or geographies, where the challenges are dissimilar to those faced by you).</p>
<p>With <a href="http://searchcio.techtarget.in/tip/7-IT-Budget-management-secrets" target="_blank">IT budgets</a> either about to lapse (in a few cases) and <a href="http://searchcio.techtarget.in/news/interview/0,289202,sid205_gci1363945,00.html">new budget preparations</a> (for most of us), vendors endeavor to wrangle their way into our minds. These heightened pitches tire the CIO, and in many cases fail to gain traction of any kind. The story repeats itself many times over, with the results remaining the same.</p>
<p>Albert Einstein said it very well, “We can&#8217;t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them”. Vendors should stop selling, and start listening to their prime customers &#8212; the CIOs &#8212; on what they are working on, and then help them succeed. According to the Peter Drucker quote, “A customer never buys what we sell”. This is more so in the case of IT.</p>
<p>Every time a vendor approaches a CIO, his understanding of the CIO’s need should supersede the need to sell. Just the fact that you have a solution, does not imply that I have the problem!</p>
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